Surface integral for line current

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The discussion revolves around calculating the integral ##\oint_C \vec F \cdot d\vec S##, where ##C## is defined by the intersection of a paraboloid and a sphere. The vector field involved is given in cylindrical coordinates, and the problem is situated within the context of electromagnetism.

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  • Participants explore different methods for evaluating the integral, including the application of Stokes' theorem and the use of spherical coordinates. There is discussion about the nature of the contour and the geometry of the surfaces involved.

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Some participants have provided guidance on visualizing the contour and suggested converting coordinates to match the integral's form. There is acknowledgment of a potential error in the original poster's calculations, with a focus on clarifying the geometric interpretation of the surfaces involved.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the coordinate systems being used, as well as the implications of the surface elements in curvilinear coordinates. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions regarding the geometry of the intersection and the nature of the vector field.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the integral ##\oint_C \vec F \cdot d\vec S##, where ##C## is the closed curve constructed by the intersection of the surfaces ##z = \frac{x^2+y^2}{4a}## and ##x^2+y^2+z^2=9a^2##, and ##\vec F## is the field ##\vec F = F_0\left( \frac{a}{\rho}+\frac{\rho^2}{a^2} \right)\hat \phi##. (##a## and ##F_0## are constants.)

(I'm guessing this fits better here than in the calculus forum since since the question is as preparation for EM-class)

Homework Equations


Line current with strength ##J##
##\vec F = \frac{J}{2\pi \rho} \hat \phi##.

The Attempt at a Solution


We see the first part of the force is a line current with strength ##2\pi F_0a## so it's total contribution to the integral over a closed loop is ##2\pi F_0a##.

I'm left with ##\vec F_2 = F_0\frac{\rho^2}{a^2}\hat \phi##. We note from ##z=\frac{x^2+y^2}{4a}## that if ##a >0## ##z## has to be strictly positive and if ##a < 0## ##z## is strictly negative.
Substituting into the second equation we have
##(z+2a)^2-4a^2 = 9a^2 \Longrightarrow z=(\pm \sqrt{13} -2)a##. We conclude that ##z## is constant and since ##\rho^2 = x^2+y^2##, ##\rho## is also constant.
Calculating the curl we get ##\nabla \times \vec F_2 = \frac{3F_0}{a^2}\rho \hat z##.
Using stokes theorem and since we know ##\rho## is constant and using ##\hat z## as the normal vector
##\int_C \vec F_2 \cdot d\vec r = \frac{3F_0}{a^2}\rho \int_S dS = \frac{3\pi F_0}{a^2}\rho^3 ##
Let's assume that ##a>0## we then have that ##\rho = 2a\sqrt{\sqrt{13}-2}##. Using this we have
##\int_C \vec F_2\cdot \vec r = 24\pi F_0a\left( \sqrt{13}-2 \right)^{3/2}##.
So the total value of integral should be
##2\pi F_0a\left(12(\sqrt{13}-2)^{3/2}+1\right)##.Another approach would be to use the line element ##d\vec r = d\rho \hat \rho + \rho d\phi \hat \phi + dz \hat z##
##\int_C \vec F_2 \cdot d\vec r = \int_C \frac{F_0\rho^3}{a^2}d\phi## And everything inside should be a constant. Since both ##z## and ##\rho## are constant we should be on a circle that's parallel to the ##xy##-plane and we should integrate from ##\phi =0 \to \phi = 2\pi##. So the integral becomes
##\int_C \vec F_2 \cdot d\vec r = \frac{2\pi F_0 \rho^3}{a^2} = 8\pi aF_0(\sqrt{13}-2)^{3/2}##. Giving us the value
##2\pi F_0a\left(8(\sqrt{13}-2)^{3/2}+1\right)##.

According to the answer the second approach gave me the right answer and the first one is wrong but I can't see where I go wrong?
 
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Have you drawn a picture of what the contour looks like?
This is the intersection of a cone and a sphere.
Since your integral uses spherical coordinates, convert the contour to spherical coordinates as well. That should help.
 
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RUber said:
Have you drawn a picture of what the contour looks like?
This is the intersection of a cone and a sphere.
Since your integral uses spherical coordinates, convert the contour to spherical coordinates as well. That should help.

Sorry I should've clarified better. The field is given in cylindrical coordinates (the book uses ##\rho## for cylindrical.)
Should be a paraboloid not a cone since we have ##z=\frac{x^2+y^2}{4a}## not ##z^2=\frac{x^2+y^2}{4a}## so the intersection should be a circle. I did make a drawing but I'm not too great at those. Do you think the second solution is correct or did I just happen upon the correct answer there? Be cause I feel I did most of the work similar for both approaches.
 
Yes, you are z is growing with the square of the radius of the circle, not linearly with the radius like in a cone.
Your contour is a circle parallel to the xy plane. So the second method leaves fewer opportunities to make a mistake.
 
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I realized what my error was here. When I calculated the surface integral i got from stokes theorem I had
##3F_0a^2\int_S \rho d\vec S##. S is a ##z##-surface so the surface element is given by ##d\vec S = \hat z \rho d\rho r\phi##. Using this we have (let ##\rho_0## be the radius of the circle as to not confuse them)
##3F_0a^2 \int_0^{\rho_0}\int_0^2\pi \rho^2 d\phi d\rho = 2\pi F_0\rho_0^3## yielding the correct answer in the first case as well. So the mistake I made was that I didn't accountfor that I have scale factors in curvilinear coordinates.
 

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