Surface Integral Homework: Compute \iint_S \sin y dS

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The problem involves computing the surface integral \iint_S \sin y dS, where S is defined by the surface x^2 + z^2 = \cos^2(y) between the planes y=0 and y=\pi/2. The context is within the subject area of multivariable calculus, specifically focusing on surface integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various parameterizations of the surface, including attempts with r = (x, y, z) and r = (x, sin(y), z). There are questions about the validity of these parameterizations and the implications for the integral. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on the correct approach.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with multiple parameterization methods being explored. Some participants express confidence in their approaches, while others remain uncertain and seek further guidance. There is no explicit consensus on the best method yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of careful consideration of ranges in the double integral and the potential for errors in calculations. There is also a mention of the need for clarity on the choice of parameters in the surface parameterization.

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Homework Statement


Compute the integral
[itex]\iint_S \sin y dS[/itex]
where S is part of the surface [itex]x^2 +z^2 = \cos^2(y)[/itex] lying between the planes [itex]y=0[/itex] and [itex]y=\pi/2[/itex].

Homework Equations


[itex]\iint_S f(x,y,z) dS = \iint_D f(x,y, g(x,y)) \sqrt{g_x^2 +g_y^2 +1}dA[/itex]
[itex]\iint_S f(x,y,z) dS = \iint_D f(\vec{r}(u,v)) \|\vec{r}_v\times\vec{r}_v\| dA[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution


So my attempt was to parametrize to surface as [itex]x=x , y=y, z=\sqrt{\cos^2y - x^2}[/itex], then put everything in the equation, and ended up with this integral [itex]\int_0^{\pi/2}\int_0^{cosy} siny \sqrt{\frac{x^2+sin^2ycos^2y}{cos^2y-x^2} +1} dxdy[/itex]

This is exactly what I would get if I took the partial derivatives and used the other equation. I don't think I've made a mistake in my calculations, but that's more than likely to happen.
I'm not sure how to proceed from here. Is there some kind of factorization I can do? Some identity to apply? Some substitution to use?
 
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I've never worked in this area, so I may have this completely wrong, but I tried r = (x, sin(y), z), taking x and z as the parameters. This simplified nicely and I ended up with pi/4. Is that valid, or must I use r = (x, y, z)?
 
haruspex said:
I've never worked in this area, so I may have this completely wrong, but I tried r = (x, sin(y), z), taking x and z as the parameters. This simplified nicely and I ended up with pi/4. Is that valid, or must I use r = (x, y, z)?

How did you end up with r = (x, sin(y), z)? If you take x and z to be the parameters, wouldn't y = cos-1√(x^2+z^2) ?

When parameterizing a surface, you use two variables, right?
With what I did, my surface ended up being parametrized as [itex]\vec{r}(x,y) = <x, y, \sqrt{cos^2y-x^2}>[/itex]
 
I was not happy with my r = (x, sin(y), z), so I tried again with the more convincing r = (x, y, z). Taking x and z as parameters, r = (x, √(1-x2-z2), z). ||rx x rz|| = 1/sin(y), so the integral reduces to ∫∫dxdz. All that's left is to be careful with the ranges in the double integral. (This is the same result as I got with r = (x, sin(y), z), so maybe it was valid.)
 
haruspex said:
I was not happy with my r = (x, sin(y), z), so I tried again with the more convincing r = (x, y, z). Taking x and z as parameters, r = (x, √(1-x2-z2), z). ||rx x rz|| = 1/sin(y), so the integral reduces to ∫∫dxdz. All that's left is to be careful with the ranges in the double integral. (This is the same result as I got with r = (x, sin(y), z), so maybe it was valid.)

Hm... ok. I think I see what's happening now.
Thank a lot for the help.
 

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