Symmetric Matrices to Jordan Blocks

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The discussion revolves around the formation of the matrix S when transforming a non-diagonalizable matrix A into its Jordan form, specifically addressing the use of generalized eigenvectors. The context includes theoretical aspects of linear algebra, particularly related to Jordan blocks and eigenvalues.

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  • One participant notes that when a matrix A is not diagonalizable, it lacks a complete set of eigenvectors and suggests using generalized eigenvectors to form S.
  • Another participant provides a detailed example, calculating the eigenvalues and eigenvectors for a specific matrix, concluding that the eigenvalue 4 is a double eigenvalue with only one corresponding eigenvector.
  • They explain the process of finding a generalized eigenvector and present the matrix S formed from the eigenvector and generalized eigenvector.
  • A later reply corrects the thread title from "Symmetric Matrices to Jordan Blocks" to "Similar matrices and Jordan Blocks," indicating a misunderstanding regarding the properties of symmetric matrices.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the explanation and indicates a need to further explore generalized eigenvectors.
  • Another participant recognizes the matrix presented as a Jordan block, contributing to the discussion on the topic.

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Participants generally agree on the process of forming S using eigenvectors and generalized eigenvectors, but there is a lack of consensus regarding the implications of the original title about symmetric matrices and their relation to Jordan blocks.

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There is an assumption that the reader understands the concepts of eigenvalues, eigenvectors, and Jordan forms. The discussion does not resolve the implications of the properties of symmetric matrices in relation to Jordan blocks.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in linear algebra, particularly those interested in matrix theory, eigenvalues, and the Jordan canonical form.

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I've been working through the Linear Algebra course at MITOCW. Strang doesn't go into the Jordan form much.

When a matrix A is diagonalizable then

[itex] A= S \Lambda S^{-1}[/itex]

and the matrix S can be formed from eigenvectors that correspond to the eigenvalues in \Lambda

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how do I form S when A is not diagonalizable?
ie.
[itex] \left[<br /> \begin{array}{rr}<br /> 5&1\\<br /> -1&3\\<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br /> =S \left[<br /> \begin{array}{rr}<br /> 4&1\\<br /> 0&4\\<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br /> S^{-1}[/itex]
 
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The fact that A is NOT diagonalizable means that it does NOT have a complete set of eigenvectors. You need to form S from eigenvectors as much as possible and use "generalized" eigenvectors to fill out S.
In your example, the eigenvalue equation is
[tex]\left|\begin{array}{cc} 5-\lambda & 1 \\ -1 & 3-\lambda\end{array}\right|[/tex]
[tex]= \lambda^2- 8\lambda+ 16= (\lambda- 4)^2= 0[/itex] <br /> so 4 is a double eigenvalue (which you knew). <br /> <br /> An eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue 4 must satisfy <br /> [tex]\left[\begin{array}{cc}5 & 1 \\ -1 & 3\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c}x \\ y\end{array}\right]= \left[\begin{array}{c}4x \\ 4y\end{array}\right][/tex]<br /> and so must satisfy 5x+ y= 4x and -x+ 3y= 4y, both of which reduce to y= -x. Any vector of the form <x, -x>= x<1, -1> is an eigenvector. But that's only one eigenvector which is why we cannot diagonalize this matrix.<br /> <br /> Now, every matrix satisfies it own characteristic equation: (A- 4I)^2= 0 which means (A- 4I)^2v= 0 for every vector v. Obviously, if v is an eigenvector with eigenvalue 4, (A- 4I)v= 0 so (A- 4I)(A- 4I)v= (A- 4I)0= 0. But it might also be possible that (A-4I)v is not 0 but (A- 4I)((A-4I)v)= 0. Such a vector is a "generalized" eigenvector In that case, (A-4I)v must be an eigenvector! To find another vector such that (A- 4I)^2v= 0, we must find a vector such that (A-4I)v= <1, -1>. That gives the equation<br /> [tex]\left[\begin{array}{cc}5- 4 & 1 \\ -1 & 3- 5\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c}x \\ y\end{array}\right]= \left[\begin{array}{cc}1 & 1 \\ -1 & -2\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c}x \\ y\end{array}\right]= \left[\begin{array}{c}1 \\ -1\end{array}\right][/tex]<br /> which gives the two equations x+ y= 1 and -x- 2y= -1. Adding the two equations, -y= 0 so y= 0. Then x= 1. A "generalized" eigenvector is <1, 0><br /> Take<br /> [tex]S= \left[\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 1 \\ -1 & 0\end{array}\right][/tex]<br /> taking the eigenvector and "generalized" eigenvector as columns. Then<br /> [tex]S^{-1}= \left[\begin{array}{cc} 0 & -1 \\ 1 & 1\end{array}\right][/tex]<br /> and<br /> [tex]S^{-1}AS= \left[\begin{array}{cc} 0 & -1 \\ 1 & 1\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{cc}5 & 1 \\ -1 & 3\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 1 \\ -1 & 0\end{array}\right][/tex]<br /> [tex]= \left[\begin{array}{cc}1 & -3 \\ 4 & 4\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 1 \\ -1 & 0\end{array}\right]= \left[\begin{array}{cc} 4 & 1 \\ 0 & 4\end{array}\right][/tex]<br /> <br /> If your matrix, A, had [itex]\lambda[/itex] as a <b>triple</b> eigenvalue but only one eigenvector corresponding to that eigenvalue, say, [itex]v_1[/itex], then you would look for a vector [itex]v_2[/itex] such that [itex](A-\lambda I)v_2= v_1[/itex] and a vector [itex]v_3[/itex] such that [itex](A- \lambda I)v_3= v_2[/itex].<br /> <br /> By the way, your title "Symmetric Matrices to Jordan Blocks" puzzled me. All symmetric (real) matrices are <b>diagonalizable</b> so the question of Jordan Blocks doesn't arize with them. And, of course, your example is not a symmetric matrix.[/tex]
 
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Sry meant to write "Similar matrices and Jordan Blocks", thought one thing and wrote another. Is there a way to change the name of the thread?

Thanks for answering my question, it makes sense. I'll have to go look up generalized eigenvectors now and see what they are all about.
 
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Hey! I recognize the matrix [itex] \left[<br /> \begin{array}{rr}<br /> 4&1\\<br /> 0&4\\<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right][/itex] is a Jordan Block. :biggrin:
 

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