Symmetrized Lagrangian (second quantization)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the formulation of a symmetrized Lagrangian for field operators in the context of second quantization. Participants explore the structure of the Lagrangian, particularly focusing on the ordering of field operators and the conditions for hermiticity.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a Lagrangian of the form $$\mathcal{L} = i[\overline{\psi}_a,({\partial_\mu}\gamma^\mu \psi)^a] -m[\overline{\psi}_a,\psi^a ]$$ but expresses uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant questions how to define the second term in the proposed Lagrangian.
  • A further reply suggests a specific definition for the second term, indicating it should be defined as [\overline{\psi}_a, \psi^a] := \sum_a \overline{\psi}_a \cdot \psi^a - \psi^a \cdot \overline{\psi}_a, and mentions the addition of a four-divergence to ensure hermiticity.
  • One participant expresses confusion, stating they only understand the first term where the barred psi appears first.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the correct formulation and definition of terms in the Lagrangian, and it remains unresolved as participants express differing levels of understanding and approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the correct form of the Lagrangian or the definitions of the terms involved. There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the ordering of operators and the implications for hermiticity.

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Hello,

I need some help to find the correct symmetrized Lagrangian for the field operators. After some work I guess that

$$\mathcal{L} = i[\overline{\psi}_a,({\partial_\mu}\gamma^\mu \psi)^a] -m[\overline{\psi}_a,\psi^a ]$$

should be the correct Lagrangian but I'm not sure with this.

I'm also interested in the question of reordinger this Lagrangian in such a way that all \overline{\psi} are on the left and all \psi are on the right side. My problem: I don't know how to deal with products like (\partial_\mu \gamma^\mu \psi) \overline{\psi}

Thanks for your help.
Neutrino
 
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How do you define e.g. the second term?
 
haushofer said:
How do you define e.g. the second term?
It should be [\overline{\psi}_a, \psi^a] := \sum_a \overline{\psi}_a \cdot \psi^a - \psi^a \cdot \overline{\psi}_a..
To ensure that the Lagrangian is hermitian we may add an aditional four divergence.
 
I'm sorry, I only understand the first term where the barred psi comes first.
 

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