Tachyon - assymetry between space and time

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The discussion revolves around the asymmetry between space and time in the context of tachyons and bradyons within flat spacetime. Participants explore the implications of these particle types on stability and the underlying mathematical framework, questioning the nature of spacelike and timelike trajectories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that tachyons lose energy due to Cherenkov radiation, suggesting an intrinsic asymmetry between the stable timelike trajectories of bradyons and the unstable spacelike trajectories of tachyons.
  • Others argue that tachyons lead to logical inconsistencies, such as negative energy in different reference frames, which could destabilize the vacuum and create infinite tachyons.
  • A participant questions what aspects of general relativity (GR) or electromagnetism (EM) contribute to the instability of spacelike trajectories compared to timelike ones.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that the structure of Minkowski space allows for a clear distinction between future and past light cones, which is essential for the stability of bradyons, while tachyons can traverse this boundary.
  • One participant raises a point about the need for a theoretical framework in a 1+1 dimensional universe to understand how the equations of electromagnetism might behave differently, potentially affecting the existence of phenomena like Cherenkov radiation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of tachyons and the nature of spacetime, with no consensus reached on the stability of spacelike versus timelike trajectories or the necessity of additional assumptions regarding time dimensions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions needed to explain the observed asymmetry and the potential differences in physical laws in reduced dimensionality scenarios.

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Say, we have empty flat spacetime; there is a lab frame and 2 particles - bradyon and tachyon. While movement of bradyon is stable, tachyon is believed to lose energy because of Cherenkov radiation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon#Cherenkov_radiation

if it is charged and even if it is not (gravitational cherenkov radiation). So there is an intristic assymetry between timelike trajectories of bradyons, which are stable, and spacelike trajectories of tachyons, which are not.

However, the metrics itself, if we take 2-D space is symmetric between space and time:

s^2 = r^2 - t^2

Question:
Is the symmetry I described above an indirect result of having more spatial dimensions than time dimensions (3 vs 1), or you need some extra assumptions (like arrow of time) to explain it?
 
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Tachyons were once an interesting idea, but they quickly ran into logical inconsistencies. Not the least of which: if a particle can travel faster than light, then in another rest frame it has energy E < 0. This makes the vacuum unstable. It can and will create an infinite number of tachyons, leading to catastrophe.
 
I know. But the question is - what part of GR (or EM) equations makes spacelike trajectories unstable, while timelike are stable.
 
Hm, well I guess from a mathematical point of view, the thing that makes bradyons physically possible in Minkowski space is that the interior of the light cone has two disjoint parts, and you can't go continuously from the future part to the past part without stepping outside. Or equivalently in momentum space you can't go from positive energy to negative energy. The problem with tachyons is that you can do this.

So the condition is that you must have time one-dimensional, or else you could rotate continuously from +t to -t and that would make even bradyons unstable.
 
"Bradyon"? Do you mean "Baryon"?


(Obviously, a "Bradyon" is the elementary particle from which the "Brady Bunch" was created!)
 
Bradyon - particle moving at v<c
Opposite to tachyon.
 
To derive Cherenkov radiation we need either classical electromagnetism or quantum electrodynamics, but you restricted your question to a universe with 1 spatial dimension and 1 time dimension (since obviously there is an asymmetry in how light cones look if you have more than one space dimension), wouldn't we need to know what the analogues of these theories would look like in a 1+1 universe to answer the question? If we had a set of equations we could see whether they are asymmetrical if you exchange time and space, but electrodynamics might look quite different in a 1+1 universe, I wonder if the concept of electromagnetic waves would even make sense here (and if not then Cherenkov radiation wouldn't exist either)
 

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