Teacher Distributes Sex Tape of Herself

[LowlyPion]

Oops: Teacher Accidentally Gave Self-Made Sex Tape to 5th Graders
ELK GROVE, Calif (CBS) A class of fifth graders in California got a shocking crash course on the birds and the bees courtesy of their teacher and an x-rated home video she accidently included in a DVD of classroom memories.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/02/crimesider/entry5129869.shtml

Hey Teacher. Thanks for the memories. But maybe that's too much information?

I wonder how many of the boys have already duped it though?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I had heard she caught it before it actually went out to students and parents. Maybe not.

 

[Pupil]

Video or it didn't happen.

 

[LowlyPion]

Video or it didn't happen.

It is CBS News. So one must suppose that Dan Rather notwithstanding, there must be something to it.

 

[rootX]

They just saw something they would see sometime soon anyway :p

 

[Werg22]

Where were all the sex'd up teachers when I was in 5th grade?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Where were all the sex'd up teachers when I was in 5th grade?

That's what I've always wondered. I don't think I have ever had a teacher I would want to see having sex.

 

[Danger]

I don't think I have ever had a teacher I would want to see having sex.

I remember once when I was in grade 12 I attempted to pick up a gorgeous young lady in the athletic section of my school. Later, I found out that she was the new girls' gym teacher.

 

[Huckleberry]

Sorry kiddo, Daddy's going to have to keep this one.

I'm expecting it will be available over the internet shortly.

The article mentions that she will probably not get fired. Good for her.

 

[rootX]

I'm expecting it will be available over the internet shortly.

The article mentions that she will probably not get fired. Good for her.

I feel sorry for the teacher. I think the OP news reporter acted ridiculously rude. I read this same news from other source where they refused to provide any information about the teacher/class/video (I believe this one http://news.aol.com/article/teacher-sex-tape/554817). I don't see why they should go hunt her down in her house.

 

[Moonbear]

If it was really a mistake on her part, I also really just feel sorry for her. It sounds like as soon as she knew of the mistake, the parents were notified to intercept, but can you imagine having to make that phone call to the parents? And, dang it, you just KNOW some of those parents watched it! It's a good thing it happened at the end of the school year, because I can't imagine she would be able to walk back into that class again without dying of embarrassment, especially if the kids started razzing her about it.

 

[Borek]

Ah, miracles of the digital age...

 

[Astronuc]

Ah, miracles of the digital age...

Or 'mistakes' as the case may be.

 

[Borek]

These mistakes were not possible without these miracles. That's what I am aiming at

 

[waht]

Why be embarrassed that you are a human being. I don't get what the big deal is if somebody sees you doing a sexual activity. Everyone is doing it.

 

[Borek]

Well, there can be some kinky details that you prefer to keep secret. Like whipped cream and celery stalks, or something.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Why be embarrassed that you are a human being. I don't get what the big deal is if somebody sees you doing a sexual activity. Everyone is doing it.

So come xmas and your whole family is sitting around drinking hot cocoa watching old home videos. If halfway through one of your taped sex sessions started playing, you'd be cool with it? I highly doubt that!

 

[Borek]

So come xmas and your whole family is sitting around drinking hot cocoa watching old home videos. If halfway through one of your taped sex sessions started playing, you'd be cool with it? I highly doubt that!

Only because society decided it is culturally unacceptable.

 

[waht]

So come xmas and your whole family is sitting around drinking hot cocoa watching old home videos. If halfway through one of your taped sex sessions started playing, you'd be cool with it? I highly doubt that!

Good point. I would face a wall of criticism, giggles, and the whole family would look at me from a different perspective forever, respect would plummet, and every Christmas, some uncle would bring the subject up.

BUT, at the same time after the party is over, the members of the family will go home and do the dirty anyways. Which would make them all hypocrites, and they wouldn't even realize it.

So NO, I wouldn't want this happen to me only because people in general can't handle it

But why undermine someone's life based on seeing some porn videos on accident

 

[rootX]

So come xmas and your whole family is sitting around drinking hot cocoa watching old home videos. If halfway through one of your taped sex sessions started playing, you'd be cool with it? I highly doubt that!

I could have asked a similar question some decades ago:
Would it be cool watching a movie with your whole family where a black many costars as a hero and white as a bad guy and in the end the hero marries a white lady and kills the villain?

 

[humanino]

I could have asked a similar question some decades ago:
Would it be cool watching a movie with your whole family where a black many costars as a hero and white as a bad guy and in the end the hero marries a white lady and kills the villain?

I should say I do not agree that the situations can be compared. There is physical, a medical, let me say a scientific reason why children should be preserved from being exposed to adult private activities : on many levels they are not ready. And if you do not buy that argument, I can attack from the other side. Historically (just a few decades ago again) it has been tried to drop this cultural prejudice altogether, and even involve children themselves in those activities. For some reason, society eventually re-installs the "cultural prejudice".

 

[nrqed]

Why be embarrassed that you are a human being. I don't get what the big deal is if somebody sees you doing a sexual activity. Everyone is doing it.

I am glad you are not teaching children

 

[rootX]

I should say I do not agree that the situations can be compared. There is physical, a medical, let me say a scientific reason why children should be preserved from being exposed to adult private activities : on many levels they are not ready.

They are not ready for many other things too (drugs, violence,..).

And if you do not buy that argument, I can attack from the other side. Historically (just a few decades ago again) it has been tried to drop this cultural prejudice altogether, and even involve children themselves in those activities. For some reason, society eventually re-installs the "cultural prejudice".

Cannot be proved.

 

[Borek]

There is physical, a medical, let me say a scientific reason why children should be preserved from being exposed to adult private activities : on many levels they are not ready.

While I am far from suggesting kids should watch, they were not being kept out of the huts by the so called primitive tribes. And I doubt they were all permanently damaged.

I am sure it is a shock for a kid that have never seen or heard parents making sex and sees them for the first time; if that was happening as a part of normal life since the kid was born - that's completely different situation.

 

[humanino]

I am sure it is a shock for a kid that have never seen or heard parents making sex and sees them for the first time; if that was happening as a part of normal life since the kid was born - that's completely different situation.

It's funny that you should think that way, because it so happens, in my family, an uncle was sleeping in my grandparents' bedroom all the way through it's 18 years old. Believe it or not, my grandmother is not especially the discrete kind of woman. My uncle suffers several quite obvious issues with sex and women in general. I suggest you experiment it if you do not believe my story.

 

[humanino]

They are not ready for many other things too (drugs, violence,..).

Sure, and we do also prevent them from being exposed to those as well !

Cannot be proved.

Some have been to jail for that. Some politicians rooted in the 70s still have to face this kind reference publicly. I do not care searching for references to prove my point, I believe it is well known.

 

[Borek]

It's funny that you should think that way, because it so happens, in my family, an uncle was sleeping in my grandparents' bedroom all the way through it's 18 years old. Believe it or not, my grandmother is not especially the discrete kind of woman. My uncle suffers several quite obvious issues with sex and women in general. I suggest you experiment it if you do not believe my story.

I suppose his problems arose not because he have seen/heard his Mom engaged in sex, but because there was an external pressure of the society, that told him what he sees is bad and dirty - so he felt guilty. Such duality is the simplest way of being driven into the problems. But the source is cultural, not intrinsic.

 

[G01]

I still don't get why some people want to videotape these things.

It's not like a college graduation or wedding. Why bother taping if you can just do it again anytime you want?

Whatever floats their boats, I guess.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I still don't get why some people have to video tape these things.

It's not like a college graduation or wedding. Why bother taping if you can just do it again anytime you want?

I think people are curious to see how they look when performing. It's like taping yourself playing in a basketball game. Maybe you want to relive a real good "move".

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I still don't get why some people want to videotape these things.

It's not like a college graduation or wedding. Why bother taping if you can just do it again anytime you want?

Whatever floats their boats, I guess.

There are a number of fetishes involving cameras and video. Some people simply enjoy the idea of being filmed or having their picture taken. Some enjoy watching themselves while the have a repeat performance. Some others still like to show the pictures or videos to others either as a form of exhibitionism or degradation.

 

[FireSky86]

Only because society decided it is culturally unacceptable.

Exaclty.

 

[Pupil]

I should say I do not agree that the situations can be compared. There is physical, a medical, let me say a scientific reason why children should be preserved from being exposed to adult private activities : on many levels they are not ready. And if you do not buy that argument, I can attack from the other side. Historically (just a few decades ago again) it has been tried to drop this cultural prejudice altogether, and even involve children themselves in those activities. For some reason, society eventually re-installs the "cultural prejudice".

Please provide evidence for the statement: "There is physical, a medical, let me say a scientific reason why children should be preserved from being exposed to adult private activities."

Reinstating a cultural prejudice doesn't make that prejudice right.

 

[humanino]

Please provide evidence for the statement: "There is physical, a medical, let me say a scientific reason why children should be preserved from being exposed to adult private activities."

A five year old girl does not menstruate and does not even even have the physical attribute I enjoy. Give me a break honestly.

 

[lisab]

Please provide evidence for the statement: "There is physical, a medical, let me say a scientific reason why children should be preserved from being exposed to adult private activities."

Reinstating a cultural prejudice doesn't make that prejudice right.

I find it to be profoundly self-evident that children not be exposed to porn...so much so, in fact, that I can't even believe I just wrote that.

 

[Pupil]

A five year old girl does not menstruate and does not even even have the physical attribute I enjoy. Give me a break honestly.

And what does that have to do with the mental capacity she has for being exposed to adult activities? I don't menstruate and have no idea what physical attributes I share with you, but I can handle seeing an organism copulate. I still need you to clarify what the problem is to understand where you're coming from.

When I was 5 I saw a pornographic film (that my stupid father left in the VCR), and I like to think I turned out alright. Physically I didn't break out in seizures, medically my brain turned out fine and I passed high school, and scientifically I was a small bipedal organism who saw how evolution worked on tape. Where's the problem?

 

[lisab]

And what does that have to do with the mental capacity she has for being exposed to adult activities? I don't menstruate and have no idea what physical attributes I share with you, but I can handle seeing an organism copulate. I still need you to clarify what the problem is to understand where you're coming from.

When I was 5 I saw a pornographic film (that my stupid father left in the VCR), and I like to think I turned out alright. Physically I didn't break out in seizures, medically my brain turned out fine and I passed high school, and scientifically I was a small bipedal organism who saw how evolution worked on tape. Where's the problem?

Well if it made you believe that it's OK for very young children to watch porn, perhaps it had a bigger effect on you than you realize.

It's not OK.

 

[Pupil]

It's not OK.

Again: why?

 

[humanino]

When I was 5 I saw a pornographic film (that my stupid father left in the VCR), and I like to think I turned out alright. Physically I didn't break out in seizures, medically my brain turned out fine and I passed high school, and scientifically I was a small bipedal organism who saw how evolution worked on tape. Where's the problem?

Thank you for openly clarifying your problem.

 

[Pupil]

Thank you for openly clarifying your problem.

I suppose I'm not understanding the point of this statement. Could you clarify?

 

[lisab]

Again: why?

Exposing children to porn http://www.apa.org/monitor/nov07/webporn.html" (that article seems to focus on teens' exposure to online porn, not very young children).

Pupil, you do recognize that your beliefs on this subject are way, way out of the social norm, correct?

 

[Pupil]

Exposing children to porn http://www.apa.org/monitor/nov07/webporn.html" (that article seems to focus on teens' exposure to online porn, not very young children).

Pupil, you do recognize that your beliefs on this subject are way, way out of the social norm, correct?

Thanks for the link. I've been reading over it, but I don't see any of the studies showing a negative impact of teenagers viewing pornographic material. I think the worst outcome that article talks of is more porn = more viewing of women as sexual objects. There are a lot of things wrong with this correlation (and some of the other correlations found), but I'll expound upon that statement only if you disagree.

I don't hold beliefs because they are widely accepted, I hold them because they are correct or reject them because they aren't correct. Most people disagree with me (except for the rising number of anti-censorship organizations and some friends), but that doesn't matter to me. If I am wrong, I want you to explain why I'm wrong, and if your reasoning is sound, I will change my views.

The way I see it, people support censorship based on religious reasons, because everyone else thinks so, or because it harms children. I reject the first two, and see no evidence for the third. I recommend reading this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0809073994/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Here's a very short summary: http://www.law.indiana.edu/fclj/pubs/v54/no3/Grossberg.pdf

 

[rootX]

Pupil, you do recognize that your beliefs on this subject are way, way out of the social norm, correct?

Social norms are time dependent as already pointed out earlier (edit: and humanino pointed out that sex exposure have negative effects on children even when we drop these social norms as I understand).

I could have asked a similar question some decades ago:
Would it be cool watching a movie with your whole family where a black many costars as a hero and white as a bad guy and in the end the hero marries a white lady and kills the villain?

 

[rootX]

Some have been to jail for that. Some politicians rooted in the 70s still have to face this kind reference publicly. I do not care searching for references to prove my point, I believe it is well known.

That's "some" not all. Earlier you claimed that

And if you do not buy that argument, I can attack from the other side. Historically (just a few decades ago again) it has been tried to drop this cultural prejudice altogether, and even involve children themselves in those activities. For some reason, society eventually re-installs the "cultural prejudice".

from which I understand that everyone dropped the cultural prejudice.I think it is hard to evaluate the effect of sex exposure to the children when the social norms feel that it is unhealthy for the children. For accurate effect, all the society/people need to drop the current norms about children being exposed to the sexual content.

 

[humanino]

all the society/people need to drop the current norms about children being exposed to the sexual content.

Well I do not see that happening anytime.

 

[junglebeast]

Exposing children to porn http://www.apa.org/monitor/nov07/webporn.html" (that article seems to focus on teens' exposure to online porn, not very young children).

Pupil, you do recognize that your beliefs on this subject are way, way out of the social norm, correct?

Lisa,

Did you actually read the article you linked?

I'm not here to argue any particular side. I'm not sure where I stand on the issue. I'm not really sure what the facts are...but this article is not actually arguing your case very strongly.

They openly admit that, "only a handful of investigators have examined the validity of these concerns" and "We need a lot more research", and even goes so far as to point out studies "between 1996 and 2005—and found that teens are actually displaying healthier behaviors in domains that might be negatively influenced by greater access to Internet porn."

Specifically, "There have been drops in crime, drops in teen pregnancy, increases in the number of kids who say they're virgins, declines in various kinds of victimization and less running away," Finkelhor says."

Also, according to this article "about 40 percent of teens and preteens visit sexually explicit sites"...which is a very significant portion of the population.

"Because all published studies about the influence of Internet porn on teen attitudes are correlational, researchers can't say for sure whether access to Internet porn causes certain attitudes and behaviors"

"In one study surveying 471 Dutch teens ages 13 to 18, the researchers found that the more often young people sought out online porn, the more likely they were to have a "recreational" attitude toward sex"

Is there something wrong with having a recreational attitude towards sex? Is not sex designed to be recreational?

"It's too early to say what these findings mean—or even what to do if clearer results are shown."

Ok...anyway...you see my point that this article is not actually supporting your argument?

If if does have an effect (which it probably does), what exactly is that effect? And if we did exactly know what the effect was, can we really say that it is "unhealthy" or wrong? Historically just about everything imaginable has been tried, sexually. I'm sure cavemen were also doing it "backwards" so to speak, just as people are today.

Many cultures in different places and times have had different customs than us currently. Look at ancient greece. Many places still do. Perhaps the culture towards sex in US is slowly changing. Can we really say it is "unhealthy" if that is the case? Who decided that?

 

[Pupil]

Well I do not see that happening anytime.

No one disagrees with that, for sure.

This discussion reminds me of Lewis Black's routine about Janet Jackson's nipple slip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbL1KVaGH3I&feature=related

Listen at least beginning at 6:25 minutes or 6:00 minutes on.

 

[lisab]

Thanks for the link. I've been reading over it, but I don't see any of the studies showing a negative impact of teenagers viewing pornographic material. I think the worst outcome that article talks of is more porn = more viewing of women as sexual objects. There are a lot of things wrong with this correlation (and some of the other correlations found), but I'll expound upon that statement only if you disagree.

I don't hold beliefs because they are widely accepted, I hold them because they are correct or reject them because they aren't correct. Most people disagree with me (except for the rising number of anti-censorship organizations and some friends), but that doesn't matter to me. If I am wrong, I want you to explain why I'm wrong, and if your reasoning is sound, I will change my views.

The way I see it, people support censorship based on religious reasons, because everyone else thinks so, or because it harms children. I reject the first two, and see no evidence for the third. I recommend reading this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0809073994/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Here's a very short summary: http://www.law.indiana.edu/fclj/pubs/v54/no3/Grossberg.pdf

Looks like a great read...as an avowed atheist I, too, am against basing censorship on religious beliefs.

My objection to exposing children to porn has nothing at all to do with religion, though. Upon reflection, I have to admit my strong reaction is really directed more at exposing young girls to porn. I could be very wrong, but I think it's more damaging to girls than it is to boys. Let me explain.

Most porn is shot by men, for men. It is sexuallity from the male perspective. Nothing wrong with that, as a hetero woman I must admit I love men and their sexuality. But it's not the same as female sexuality...not even close.

You can't take your average porn flick, reverse the parity of the genders involved, and arrive at female sexuality.

So let's consider a very young girl, who has not even begun to develop her sexuallity. I *don't* want that girl to think that what she's seeing in a porn flick is anything close to female sexuality.

I think such exposures would heighten the chance that she would end up making a living dancing on a pole, rather than being a NASA engineer. But that's the opinion of the mom in me.

 

[junglebeast]

I think such exposures would heighten the chance that she would end up making a living dancing on a pole, rather than being a NASA engineer. But that's the opinion of the mom in me.

I don't think a person's sexuality is something that really affects their major life goals like that. I can't see someone ditching their desire to do something great simply because they liked having sex..because that's never a choice anyone is forced to make. You are free to mix and match any sexual lifestyle with any professional lifestyle. Except perhaps presidency.

 

[Pupil]

I agree with junglebeast, but I think you're getting at another point here, too. Are you saying that pornography is heavily biased toward treating women as sexual objects, which could influence the young females to view themselves that way?

If that is your point, I would say that's not caused by pornography (or the other things we censor), but a lack of understanding in society of the rights and abilities of women. We should educate, not censor. One only has to turn to BET to see the mistreatment of "b****es and hoes," as it's often put.

But perhaps I'm misunderstanding. Could you clarify?

 

[Moonbear]

Okay, given the direction this discussion has headed, I think it's important to make a distinction between porn and intercourse.

Porn certainly includes intercourse, but it also includes more than that, such as portrayals of subjugation of members of one sex or the other, and aspects of sexuality beyond that of intercourse, which I'm not going to describe here in order to keep this PG-13.

I do not think a child is going to be harmed by witnessing intercourse, such as by walking in on their parents when the door to the bedroom didn't lock right, or even by observing animals copulating if they grow up on a farm. Certainly by the time they are in 5th grade, they are aware of what intercourse is (sex education even when I was in school began in the 4th grade, because girls can start menstruating by then, and even those who aren't do start experiencing some of the early stages of puberty by then), so simply seeing a penis entering a vagina is nothing they don't already know happens.

Frankly, if that's all that porn showed, I think people would grow bored of watching it. Porn goes beyond showing the act of intercourse and includes a story line (as flimsy as it may be) that creates a context that goes beyond that of consensual intercourse between two people in a long-term relationship. Some porn also portrays acts that are not standard intercourse either. While adults understand that these are options available that some but not all people enjoy, I don't think that children are prepared to understand these variations in sexuality. I also don't think children are prepared to understand that porn portrays fantasies that may not reflect healthy relationships.

I don't know what was filmed by this teacher. It may have been nothing more than traditional intercourse. I doubt it would have any really harmful effects if any children did see it, more likely it would result in them exclaiming "Eeeew, Gross!" I think (I could be wrong) that 5th grade is still a bit young for students to have crushes on teachers to think of a teacher having intercourse as anything other than "gross."

What are the societal taboos that lead to this "ick factor?" Yes, society generally considers intercourse among people to be something intimate, not public. But, even knowing it happens, and what all the body parts look like, and enjoying it for oneself, intercourse happens when people are physically attracted to one another. For the same reasons we might reject someone as a potential partner for being unattractive to us, I think we also find it distasteful to think about them having intercourse with anyone else either.