Temp profiles through partial derivatives

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The discussion focuses on determining the location of the thermocline in a lake using partial derivatives of temperature with respect to depth and time. The criterion for identifying the thermocline is given by the equation ∂²T/∂y²=0, where T is the temperature and y is the depth. A mathematical model for temperature as a function of depth y and time t is provided, expressed as T(y,t)=(Tsurf(t)-T0)e^(-y²/4αt)+T0. Participants seek assistance in applying this model to derive expressions for the thermocline's location and its movement over time.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of partial derivatives in calculus
  • Familiarity with exponential functions and their properties
  • Knowledge of thermal diffusivity concepts, specifically eddy thermal diffusivity
  • Basic principles of thermodynamics related to temperature gradients
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  • Derive the expression for the thermocline location ytc as a function of time using the provided equations
  • Calculate the speed of the thermocline vtc by differentiating ytc with respect to time
  • Explore the implications of varying eddy thermal diffusivity (α) on thermocline dynamics
  • Investigate numerical methods for solving partial differential equations in thermal models
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Students and researchers in environmental science, particularly those studying aquatic thermodynamics, as well as educators teaching advanced calculus and differential equations.

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Homework Statement



The separation of layers is considered to occur at the thermocline, which is defined as the location of the steepest slope in the temperature gradient. Mathematically, this occurs at the inflection point – so the position of the thermocline can be found from the following criterion:

(1)∂2T/∂y2=0

where y is the depth (measured from the lake surface) and T is the temperature.

A mathematical model for temperature as a function of depth y (in m) and time t (in days) is:

(2)T(y,t)-T0/Tsurf(t)-T0=exp(-y2/4αt)


where Tsurf(t) is the water temperature of the lake surface at time t, α is a property called the “eddy thermal diffusivity” and T0 is the lake temperature at time zero. Time zero must be chosen to be on a day when the lake temperature is more or less uniform.

Here are the specific tasks:

(1) Apply equation (1) to equation (2) and develop an expression for the location ytc of the thermocline as a function of time.

(2) The speed at which the thermocline moves vtc is defined as

vtc=∂ytc/∂t

Use your results from (1) to obtain an expression for vtc as a function of time.


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The Attempt at a Solution


First I expressed the function as T(y,t)=e^(-y2/4αt)(Tsurf(t)-T0)+T0...

from this I know that only the exponential expression contains a "y" so everything else becomes a constant and the last T0 drops off...

so for the first partial derivative this becomes (Tsurf(t)-T0)e^(-y2/4αt)(-2/4αt)

then for the second partial its pretty much the same as the first one only now we also have a value of (-2/4αt) so this becomes: (1/4α2t2)(Tsurf(t)-T0)e^(-y2/4αt) ...
I am not sure if this is the way to go so I just wanted to check to see if I was in the right path. Also for number 2 I am not sure how to differentiate with respect to t when I have Tsurf(t) as a function of time. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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