Temperature Coefficient of Resistance of Two Wires in Series

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the temperature coefficient of resistance for two wires connected in series, specifically focusing on the relationship between their resistances and temperature coefficients. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved, the implications of the given values, and the correctness of various approaches to the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution from a textbook, suggesting a relationship between the resistances and temperature coefficients of the wires, but expresses confusion about its derivation.
  • Another participant attempts to derive the temperature coefficient of wire B using the series resistance equations and arrives at a different value, questioning the original solution's validity.
  • Several participants argue that the temperature coefficient of wire B must be greater than that of the entire combination, raising concerns about the implications of the calculated values.
  • One participant suggests a simplified approach using assumed values for resistance and temperature to illustrate the relationships, but acknowledges the complexity of the original problem.
  • A later reply introduces a general solution method but does not clarify how it applies to the current problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the initial solution and the derived values for the temperature coefficient of wire B. There is no consensus on the correct approach or final answer, as multiple methods yield different results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the relationships between the temperature coefficients and resistances are not straightforward and depend on the assumptions made. The discussion highlights the complexity of deriving the temperature coefficient without additional measurements or clarifications.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying electrical resistance and temperature coefficients, as well as those interested in problem-solving techniques in physics and engineering contexts.

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Homework Statement


Two wires A and B are connected in series at 0oC and resistance of B is 3.5 times that of A. The resistance temperature coefficient of A is 0.04% and that of the combination is 0.1%. Find the resistance temperature coefficient of B.


Homework Equations


Rt=R0(1+α0t)
αt0/1+α0t


The Attempt at a Solution


This is an example problem form A Textbook of Electrical Technology Vol. I. So the solution comes from that book:
It is seen that RB/RA = 3.5 = 0.003/(0.001-α) --> α = 0.000143oC-1

My problem is that this relationship is not clear to me. From the looks of the given solution it is saying that:
RB/RAAABABB and then solving for αB. I'm confused if this is the correct relationship and if so where it came from? How do you relate them without at least one other measurement at some other temperature?
 
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Ok, I think I figured it out. The given solution was way too simplified, and I'm still not sure how the author worked it out, but here's what I got:

From the given equation we know

Rt=R0(1+α0t) --> R1,A=R0,A(1+α0,A*1)

and because A and B are in series we also know that

-->R1,A+R1,B=(R0,A+R0,B)(1+α0,AB)

since the problem tells us that R0,B = 3.5R0,A, we can solve for R1,B in terms of R0,A

R1,B=(R0,A+3.5R0,A)(1+α0,AB)-R0,A(1+α0,A)

we also know that R1,B=R0,B(1+α0,B)= 3.5R0,A(1+α0,B)

Then set the two equations equal and solve for α0,B as the problem asks

3.5R0,A(1+α0,B) = (R0,A+3.5R0,A)(1+α0,AB)-R0,A(1+α0,A)

α0,B=((1+3.5)(1+α0,AB)-(1+α0,A)-3.5)/3.5
α0,B= 1.42x10-4

If anyone can explain how the author solved it, I'd be happy to see it. His way seemed much faster.
 
The given answer can't be right. αB, the coefficient of the higher resistor, must be greater than the coefficient of the entire resistance α since αA, the coefficient of the smaller resistor is less than α. But your teacher "sees" α = 0.000143 oC-1 which is < 0.001 = α. In fact, he/she has αB < αA! :rolleyes:

Do it like this: assume R = T = 1 without loss of generality.
Then 1(1+αA) + 3.5(1+αB) = 4.5(1+α).
 
The given answer can't be right. αB, the coefficient of the higher resistor, must be greater than the coefficient of the entire resistance α since αA, the coefficient of the smaller resistor is less than α. But your teacher "sees" α = 0.000143 oC-1 which is < 0.001 = α. In fact, he/she has αB < αA!

Do it like this: assume R = T = 1 without loss of generality.
Then 1(1+αA) + 3.5(1+αB) = 4.5(1+α).

Now I'm really confused. The answer I got matches the one in the book, but this way gives a different answer. Where did I go wrong? Any hints?
 
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chap126 said:
Now I'm really confused. The answer I got matches the one in the book, but this way gives a different answer. Where did I go wrong? Any hints?

Problem is, it's often not easy to work through posters' math when a lot of it is posted.

I think my equation is straight-forward enough that it should be understandable. It's just

R(1+αAT) + 3.5R(1+αBT) = (R+3.5R)(1+αT)

with R = 1 ohm and T = 1 deg. C.

It should also be intuitively obvious that αB has to be > α since αA < α.
 
Hello, this type is problem has a general solution (quite latent tho).

@a×Ra/(Total resistance) + @b×Rb/(total resistance) = @ TOTAL.
NOW JUST SUBSTITUTE...
 

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