"Temperature feel" and evaporation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "temperature feel" and its potential relationship to measured temperature and evaporation rates from an evaporation pan. Participants explore whether it is possible to calculate or approximate "temperature feel" using available data, which includes average temperature, evaporation rates, and minimum and maximum temperatures of water in the pan. The conversation touches on the complexities of defining "temperature feel" and its relation to established indices like the heat index and wet bulb globe temperature (wbgt).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of calculating "temperature feel" from the provided data, suggesting that defining the term is essential.
  • Another participant mentions that established measures like heat index and wbgt require relative humidity, which is not available in the original data.
  • Some participants propose that relative humidity could potentially be calculated from the existing data, while wbgt might be usable without it.
  • A participant discusses the idea that "feeling" temperature might relate more to heat transfer rather than just temperature measurement, referencing an experiment with water cups to illustrate their point.
  • There is a suggestion to use either the minimum or maximum temperature from the evaporation pan as a proxy for wet bulb temperature to calculate relative humidity.
  • Questions arise regarding the source of the minimum temperature data and whether it is from a different sensor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to define "temperature feel" or the best method to calculate it. Multiple competing views on the relationship between temperature, evaporation, and perceived temperature remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the absence of relative humidity data, which is critical for certain established indices, and the need for clarification on the source of temperature measurements in the evaporation pan.

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Is there a formula relating "temperature feel" to measured temperature and evaporation of water in an evaporation pan (in mm)?
I have data on:
*average temperature
*evaporation of water in an evaporation pan
*minimum temperature of water in an evaporation pan
*maximum temperature of water in an evaporation pan

I want to somehow calculate or approximate "temperature feel" for hot days, something like the temperature-humidity index. Is that possible from this data?

I'm a social scientist and I know absolutely nothing about this stuff, so please excuse me if this question is ridiculous.
 
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Also, why is my text so big compared to everyone else's?
 
Ronny33344 said:
Also, why is my text so big compared to everyone else's?
Your copy/pasted text included BBcode formatting tags. I've removed them for you :smile:
 
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The question is not ridiculous, but it is not straightforward either. First you would need to define what "temperature feel" means because I've never heard of it before. There are, however, measures that attempt to reconcile weather conditions against what you feel, such as heat index and wbgt. You should probably google and read up on them and see if they meet your needs.
 
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Heat index and wbgt require relative humidity as an input. I don't have relative humidity in my data. :(
 
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Your copy/pasted text included BBcode formatting tags. I've removed them for you :smile:
Thanks.
 
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Ronny33344 said:
Heat index and wbgt require relative humidity as an input. I don't have relative humidity in my data. :(
You should be able to calculate RH from your data for the heat index, but wbgt does not require RH -- you should be able to use your data directly.
 
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If you think of yourself as an instrument for measuring things, then what is "I feel cold" or "I feel hot" measuring? As an engineer, it seems to me that a person doesn't measure temperature but heat transfer, i.e. the passage of thermal energy from your skin and hair to the environment or vice versa.

To me this is confirmed by the experiment with the three cups of water, one cold, one hot, and one lukewarm... when you set your hands in the cold and hot cups for a while, and simultaneously put them both in the lukewarm cup, it seems that the lukewarm cup is either quite hot or quite cold--- but not lukewarm.

I think that this thought I have is also confirmed by how well the measurement of wind chill factor predicts the need for a coat, and that folks are advised to get out of the sun to relieve heatstroke. Both wind and sun don't change the air temperature immediately, but they do change a person's heat transfer.
 
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For relative humidity I would choose either your minimum or maximum temperature in the evaporating pan as equivalent to "wet bulb temperature". Having re-named your data this way, the equation for relative humidity is super-common, being a well-used calculation by weather people. You will also need barometric pressure, but you may find that assuming constant pressure doesn't really change your analysis.

Is the minimum a daily minimum or a measurement from a different sensor, i.e. perhaps at the bottom instead of the top of the pan?
 

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