Temperature measurement induction heating aluminium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of measuring temperature in an induction oven used for melting aluminum, particularly at high temperatures around 700°C. Participants explore various measurement techniques and the limitations of existing methods, including pyrometers and infrared cameras, while considering alternative solutions like thermocouples.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that their pyrometer cannot accurately display temperature due to interference from the induction field, and that non-contact IR cameras are ineffective because of oxidation layers on the aluminum.
  • Another participant suggests using electrodes at opposite ends of the melt to measure resistance and deduce temperature, although they express uncertainty about the feasibility of this approach.
  • A question is raised about the type of pyrometer being used, specifically whether it is an infrared pyrometer, and the importance of having the correct emissivity for accurate measurements.
  • A participant shares their experience using thermocouples attached to a sample in a similar heating project, mentioning that they shielded the thermocouple wires to mitigate interference.
  • One participant discusses the difficulties of using infrared measurement for aluminum due to the changing oxide layer, proposing that a multi-band system could help address emissivity variations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effectiveness of different temperature measurement methods, with no consensus reached on the best solution. Disagreements exist regarding the impact of induction fields on measurement accuracy and the viability of alternative approaches.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, such as the dependence on the emissivity of the surface being measured and the potential for interference with measurement devices. The discussion also highlights the challenges posed by oxidation and the need for protective measures for thermocouples.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to professionals and researchers involved in materials science, metallurgy, and industrial heating processes, particularly those working with induction heating and temperature measurement techniques.

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Is there a way to measure the temperature in an induction oven for melting of aluminium(700 C). The pyrometer I’m using can’t correctly display the temperature when the system is running because it interferes with the induction field. The non-contact IR-camera has been abandoned because of the insufficient stirring of the material that gives an oxidation layer on the material and therefore inability to correctly measure the temperature. I’ve started to look on a system with thermocouples covered in a sialon tube to protect them from corrosion. Industry workers say that the wires might be induced even though you use shielded and twisted wires.
What’s you opinion on this problem. Any solutions will be happily received.
 
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I really don't know anything about this, but I'm going to take a shot at it. Would it be possible to install electrodes at opposite ends of the melt? You might then be able to measure the resistance of the aluminum and deduce the temperature from that? :confused:
 
Is your pyrometer aninfrared pyrometer? As long as you have the right emissivity of the surface you are measuring, you should be good. I can't imagine why there would be interference with the inductance. Can you explain what problems you are seeing?
 
neitcho said:
Is there a way to measure the temperature in an induction oven for melting of aluminium(700 C). The pyrometer I’m using can’t correctly display the temperature when the system is running because it interferes with the induction field. The non-contact IR-camera has been abandoned because of the insufficient stirring of the material that gives an oxidation layer on the material and therefore inability to correctly measure the temperature. I’ve started to look on a system with thermocouples covered in a sialon tube to protect them from corrosion. Industry workers say that the wires might be induced even though you use shielded and twisted wires.
What’s you opinion on this problem. Any solutions will be happily received.

I worked on a project where we used a custom coil to heat an iron sample to well over 1000 C, we just used thermocouples attached to the sample to measure its temperature, we were able to get good data out of them (other than the stray bad thermocouple). We did shield the wire going from the thermocouple though, with a plate of copper between the coil and the thermocouple wire. This was done in a vacuum chamber, so oxidation wasn't an issue, we did end up having to cool the coil with liquid nitrogen though.
 
Induction heating of aluminum is a difficult one to handle with infrared, as you mentioned, as the changing oxide raises havoc with infrared measurement. However, you can work around this with a multi band system, which effectively takes emissivity variation our of the equation. A dual band system can work some of the time, but can still be subject to error.

Although this paper focus on steel, some of the same concepts apply.
http://www.temperatures.com/Papers/3700_22.PDF
 

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