Tension in a string between two blocks

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The problem involves two masses on a frictionless surface connected by a string, with a force applied at an angle to one of the masses. The objective is to calculate the tension in the string connecting the two masses.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the acceleration of the system and the forces acting on each mass. There are attempts to isolate the system and analyze the forces, including the applied force and tension. Questions arise regarding the correct application of Newton's laws and the role of gravitational force in a frictionless scenario.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the forces involved and how they relate to the acceleration of the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relevance of certain forces and the need to consider only horizontal components in the absence of friction. There is an ongoing dialogue about the correct approach to determining the tension in the string.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the application of the force vector and its components, as well as the correct value to use for the net force in calculations. Participants are also grappling with the implications of the problem's constraints, such as the frictionless surface and the angle of the applied force.

  • #31
Brian T said:
Use the mass of the whole system to find the acceleration of the whole system
So I use M1 + M2 = 6.9 +3.1 = 10 kg
 
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  • #32
Yes, so a =?
 
  • #33
Brian T said:
Yes, so a =?
F=ma
41.0995=10a
41.0995/10=a
4.10995=a
 
  • #34
So, you have the acceleration of the system. Now, look at block m1. What is the force needed to accelerate it at 4.10995?
 
  • #35
Brian T said:
So, you have the acceleration of the system. Now, look at block m1. What is the force needed to accelerate it at 4.10995?
F=ma
F=6.9kg*4.10995m/s^2
F= 28.3586 N
 
  • #36
Good. Now, what force(s) is/are acting on that block?
 
  • #37
Brian T said:
Good. Now, what force(s) is/are acting on that block?
Tension is acting on that block.
 
  • #38
So, you know the force necessary to accelerate the block (~28) and you know there is only one force acting on the block, so...
 
  • #39
Brian T said:
So, you know the force necessary to accelerate the block (~28) and you know there is only one force acting on the block, so...
Is that the acceleration for the system then?
 
  • #40
You know the force needed to accelerate the block, and tension is the only force pulling it, therefore, the tension is equal to the force needed to accelerate it (~28 N)
 
  • #41
Brian T said:
You know the force needed to accelerate the block, and tension is the only force pulling it, therefore, the tension is equal to the force needed to accelerate it (~28 N)
So I have my answer?
 
  • #42
Yes. Another way to reach the answer is by looking at M2. This way is a bit more complicated since we consider more than one force but may be useful to look at for future preparedness.
We know that, since M2 is 3.9 kg, it should have a net force acting on it of:
F2net = ma
F2net = (3.9 kg)(4.10995 m/s^2)
F2net = 16.029 N.
Now the net force on block 2 should equal to the sum of the forces. The two forces are tension (left) and the pull (right). We have:
F2net = Fpull + T
F2net we just calculated is 16.029 N.
Fpull you previously calculated was 41.0995 N. Plugging it in:
16.029 N = 41.0995 N + T
Solve and get T ~ -28 (negative indicating left directed force. There is also an equal tension pulling to the right on block 1, which is the force you calculated).
 
  • #43
Brian T said:
Yes. Another way to reach the answer is by looking at M2:
We know that, since M2 is 3.9 kg, it should have a net force acting on it of:
F2net = ma
F2net = (3.9 kg)(4.10995 m/s^2)
F2net = 16.029 N.
Now the net force on block 2 should equal to the sum of the forces. The two forces are tension (left) and the pull (right). We have:
F2net = Fpull + T
F2net we just calculated is 16.029 N.
Fpull you previously calculated was 41.0995 N. Plugging it in:
16.029 N = 41.0995 N + T
Solve and get T ~ -28 (negative indicating left directed force. There is also an equal tension pulling to the right on block 1, which is the force you calculated).
Okay. Thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate you taking the time to help me!
 
  • #44
litz057 said:
Okay. Thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate you taking the time to help me!
No problem, glad I could help. Let me know if you have any more questions about that. :D
 
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  • #45
Thank you to everyone that helped me with this problem! I appreciate you taking the time to help me!
 
  • #46
Brian T said:
No problem, glad I could help. Let me know if you have any more questions about that. :D
I will! Thanks again!
 

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