The colorful world of ##2\times 2## complex matrices

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The discussion revolves around the properties and implications of 2×2 complex matrices, exploring their connections to various mathematical structures such as Lie groups, Lie algebras, and their applications in physics. Participants express interest in finding a comprehensive monograph on the subject, while also reflecting on the potential audience and relevance of such a work.

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  • Some participants describe 2×2 complex matrices as forming a Banach-algebra and acting on spinors, while also noting their connections to quaternions, SU(2), and hyperbolic geometry.
  • There is a discussion about the lack of a suitable monograph on the topic, with some participants doubting the commercial viability of such a book due to its niche focus.
  • One participant mentions having written insight articles on SU(2) and expresses skepticism about their readership and relevance.
  • Another participant raises a question regarding the meaning of elements in sl(2, C) with determinant 1, seeking clarification on terminology.
  • Some participants engage in a light-hearted exchange about related mathematical structures, such as SL_2(R) and GL_2(C), and their complexity compared to their complex counterparts.
  • There are mentions of specific mathematical concepts, such as the half-anticommutator and isomorphisms involving su(2) and isu(2), without reaching a consensus on their implications.

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Participants express a range of views regarding the existence and relevance of a monograph on 2×2 complex matrices, with no consensus reached on the topic. There are also differing opinions on the complexity of related mathematical structures.

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Some discussions highlight the potential limitations of focusing on low-dimensional examples and the challenges in categorizing such a book within existing mathematical literature.

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They are related to important Lie groups and Lie algebras, spinors, quaternions and biquaternions, hyperbolic geometry, Special Relativity, and so on. Looking for a monography about them.
The world of 2\times 2 complex matrices is very colorful. They form a Banach-algebra, they act on spinors, they contain the quaternions, SU(2), su(2), SL(2,\mathbb C), sl(2,\mathbb C). Furthermore, with the determinant as Euclidean or pseudo-Euclidean norm, isu(2) is a 3-dimensional Euclidean space, \mathbb RI\oplus isu(2) is a Minkowski space with signature (1,3), i\mathbb RI\oplus su(2) is a Minkowski space with signature (3,1), SU(2) is the double cover of SO(3), sl(2,\mathbb C) is the double cover of SO^+(3,1). The Iwasawa decomposition of SL(2,\mathbb C) is a sphere bundle over the 3-dimensional hyperbolic space. And many things I haven't mentioned or don't know about. Is there a monography on them?
 
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TL;DR Summary: They are related to important Lie groups and Lie algebras, spinors, quaternions and biquaternions, hyperbolic geometry, Special Relativity, and so on. Looking for a monography about them.

Is there a monography on them?
Not that I knew of. And thinking about it, I doubt it.

Imagine someone had written such a book. Whom would it be supposed to sell to? It would be a collection of low-dimensional examples in about a dozen fields without ever elaborating on those fields that each would require at least one book in its own right. People are interested in the various areas of mathematics, not in low-dimensional examples that aren't even necessarily typical. ##\mathbb{M}(2,\mathbb{C})## is even in physics only responsible for the weak force. Such a book would be at odds with all possible, professional buyer groups. Where on your bookshelf would such a book sit? It would fit in a dozen of sections and none.

Maybe except for entertainment. I would like to read such a book under this aspect. However, I'm afraid that ##\mathbb{M}(2,\mathbb{C})## or even ##\operatorname{SU}(2,\mathbb{C})## are simply not prominent enough. I possess a book titled "100 Years Set Theory" that is written with rigor and for entertainment. It covers subjects as Hilbert's hotel, Sierpinski and Peano curves and so on. It was published at a time when set theory was in everybody's mind because some didacticians here thought it would be a good idea to introduce Venn diagrams to elementary schools and call it set theory. The publisher prudently conceals the print run, but I very much doubt that it was a bestseller. Set theory quickly became a slogan and a synonym for modern mathematics that nobody understood - and we are talking about Venn diagrams! Now imagine a book about the ##2##-sphere or quaternions.

I have written some insight articles about ##\operatorname{SU}(2,\mathbb{C})##
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/journey-manifold-su2mathbbc-part/
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/journey-manifold-su2-part-ii/
on a website dedicated to physics, where particularly this group, ##\operatorname{SU}(2,\mathbb{C})##, plays a decisive role in the field. I have no idea about the click rates of these, but I doubt that they are very high. So even students who are directly affected presumably don't read an article that was written for them. The corresponding threads report 2,000+ clicks. For comparison: "Why is this line ##[0,2\pi)## not homeomorphic to the unit circle?" - a more or less trivial topic - has 5,000+ clicks and "Continuity of the Determinant" - trivial, too - has 6,000+ clicks!

Btw., you have forgotten to list the cross-product!
 
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fresh_42 said:
Not that I knew of. And thinking about it, I doubt it.

Imagine someone had written such a book. Whom would it be supposed to sell to? It would be a collection of low-dimensional examples in about a dozen fields without ever elaborating on those fields that each would require at least one book in its own right. People are interested in the various areas of mathematics, not in low-dimensional examples that aren't even necessarily typical. ##\mathbb{M}(2,\mathbb{C})## is even in physics only responsible for the weak force. Such a book would be at odds with all possible, professional buyer groups. Where on your bookshelf would such a book sit? It would fit in a dozen of sections and none.

Maybe except for entertainment. I would like to read such a book under this aspect. However, I'm afraid that ##\mathbb{M}(2,\mathbb{C})## or even ##\operatorname{SU}(2,\mathbb{C})## are simply not prominent enough. I possess a book titled "100 Years Set Theory" that is written with rigor and for entertainment. It covers subjects as Hilbert's hotel, Sierpinski and Peano curves and so on. It was published at a time when set theory was in everybody's mind because some didacticians here thought it would be a good idea to introduce Venn diagrams to elementary schools and call it set theory. The publisher prudently conceals the print run, but I very much doubt that it was a bestseller. Set theory quickly became a slogan and a synonym for modern mathematics that nobody understood - and we are talking about Venn diagrams! Now imagine a book about the ##2##-sphere or quaternions.

I have written some insight articles about ##\operatorname{SU}(2,\mathbb{C})##
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/journey-manifold-su2mathbbc-part/
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/journey-manifold-su2-part-ii/
on a website dedicated to physics, where particularly this group, ##\operatorname{SU}(2,\mathbb{C})##, plays a decisive role in the field. I have no idea about the click rates of these, but I doubt that they are very high. So even students who are directly affected presumably don't read an article that was written for them. The corresponding threads report 2,000+ clicks. For comparison: "Why is this line ##[0,2\pi)## not homeomorphic to the unit circle?" - a more or less trivial topic - has 5,000+ clicks and "Continuity of the Determinant" - trivial, too - has 6,000+ clicks!

Btw., you have forgotten to list the cross-product!
Wise thoughts. Indeed, I did not take into account the commercial aspects at all. And indeed, I have omitted vector multiplication and even the relevant Grassmann and Clifford algebras from head to toe. Special thanks for the references to your Insights. They alone made it worth writing here.
 
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Not what you are looking for but Lang has a book titled ##SL_2(\mathbb R)##.
 
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Nice hit! Next will be ##SL_2,(\mathbb{C})##, then ##GL_2(\mathbb{C})## then we arrive to ##\mathbb{M}(2,\mathbb{C})##! :) Looking forward it :)
 
mma said:
Nice hit! Next will be ##SL_2,(\mathbb{C})##, then ##GL_2(\mathbb{C})## then we arrive to ##\mathbb{M}(2,\mathbb{C})##! :) Looking forward it :)
Not for the things he does in the book. There ##SL_2(\mathbb R)## is the most complecated compare to the complex ones.
 
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martinbn said:
There ##SL_2(\mathbb R)## is the most complecated compare to the complex ones.

Why?
 
One more question. This is the structure of the set of 2 by 2 complex matrices:
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Here, the only non-standard symbol is ##\mathfrak E_3=isu(2)##. It is the 3-dimensional real Euclidean space of traceless, Hermitian matrices, with the half-anticommutator as dot product. What should I write instead of the red "????"— that is, what is the meaning of the elements of ##sl(2,\mathbb C)## whose determinant is 1?
 
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mma said:
What should I write instead of the red "????"— that is, what is the meaning of the elements of ##sl(2,\mathbb C)## whose determinant is 1?
Are you asking about the name and notation for that set? Why do you need a name and notation?
 
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What should I write instead of the red "????"— that is, what is the meaning of the elements of ##sl(2,\mathbb C)## whose determinant is 1?

If I read the table correctly, and I'm not sure it even makes sense, then ##su(2)\oplus \mathfrak{E}_3=su(2)\oplus isu(2)=su(2)\oplus su(2).##

Here are some standard isomorphisms:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/journey-manifold-su2mathbbc-part/#Spheres
 
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martinbn said:
Are you asking about the name and notation for that set? Why do you need a name and notation?
All the other objects in the picture have their own names, designations, and significance somewhere. I wonder if this one does too, or is it an exception?
 
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mma said:
All the other objects in the picture have their own names, designations, and significance somewhere. I wonder if this one does too, or is it an exception?
What do you mean by a direct sum of (an additive) vector space with (a multiplicative) group?
 
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fresh_42 said:
If I read the table correctly, and I'm not sure it even makes sense, then ##su(2)\oplus \mathfrak{E}_3=su(2)\oplus isu(2)=su(2)\oplus su(2).##
I think, elements of ##su(2)## are the traceless anti-Hermitian matrices while elements of ##isu(2)## are traceless, Hermitian ones, so ##su(2)\oplus \mathfrak{E}_3=su(2)\oplus isu(2)## consists of all traceless matrices.
 
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mma said:
I think, elements of ##su(2)## are the traceless anti-Hermitian matrices while elements of ##isu(2)## are traceless, Hermitian ones, so ##su(2)\oplus \mathfrak{E}_3=su(2)\oplus isu(2)## consists of all traceless matrices.
The direct sum of vector spaces makes sense, but that wasn't my question. Besides that, do you consider ##su(2)## as a real vector space? Otherwise (complex), ##su(2)=isu(2).##
 
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fresh_42 said:
What do you mean by a direct sum of (an additive) vector space with (a multiplicative) group?
I regard them as elements of the (additive) vector space of 2 by 2 matrices.
 
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mma said:
I regard them as elements of the (additive) vector space of 2 by 2 matrices.
But ##SU(2)## isn't closed under addition, nor does it have an additive neutral element!
 
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fresh_42 said:
The direct sum of vector spaces makes sense, but that wasn't my question. Besides that, do you consider ##su(2)## as a real vector space? Otherwise (complex), ##su(2)=isu(2).##
Oh, yes, I consider them as real vector spaces. So, ##su(2)\neq isu(2).##
 
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fresh_42 said:
But ##SU(2)## isn't closed under addition, nor does it have an additive neutral element!
Yes, it is a sphere in the vector space ##\mathbb H##. At the ends of the green arrows are spheres in the vector space at the beginning of that arrow.
 
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mma said:
Yes, it is a sphere in the vector space ##\mathbb H##
And what is the direct sum of a sphere and a Euclidean space?
 
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fresh_42 said:
And what is the direct sum of a sphere and a Euclidean space?
Of course, it isn't a direct sum. Direct sum applies only above the main diagonal. Below it, the objects originate from the green arrow.
 
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Perhaps this is not important either, but another interesting fact for me is the multiplication table of the members of the decomposition ##M(2,\mathbb C)=\mathbb RI\oplus\mathfrak E_3\oplus su(2)\oplus i\mathbb RI##.
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