The derivative of the dot product "distributes" over each vector

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The discussion centers on the derivative of the dot product of two vectors, A and B, and the confusion surrounding the application of the product rule. Participants highlight that expressing the dot product in terms of magnitudes and angles can lead to misconceptions, particularly when considering changes in direction versus magnitude. It is emphasized that the derivative of the magnitude of a vector does not equal the magnitude of the derivative of the vector itself, which is a critical point of misunderstanding. Additionally, the angle between the vectors at different times is not consistent, further complicating the differentiation process. Clarifying these misconceptions is essential for correctly applying the derivative to the dot product.
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Homework Statement
Prove that : ##\boxed{\dfrac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{A}\cdot \mathbf{B})=\dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}+\mathbf{A}\cdot \dfrac{d\mathbf{B}}{dt}}##
Relevant Equations
The dot product of two vectors ##\mathbf{A}## and ##\mathbf{B}## is given by ##\mathbf{A}\cdot \mathbf{B}=AB\cos\theta##, where ##\theta## is the (smaller) angle between them.
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Drawing :
I draw a diagram explaining the situation to the right. The vectors ##\mathbf{A}## and ##\mathbf{B}## are drawn at some time ##t## making an angle ##\theta## between them. At some later time ##t+dt##, the same vectors have changed to ##\mathbf{A}(t+dt)## and ##\mathbf{B}(t+dt)## while their angle has changed to some ##\theta(t+dt)##.


Attempt :

We have ##\dfrac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{A}\cdot \mathbf{B})=\dfrac{d}{dt}(AB\cos\theta)=\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta+A\dfrac{dB}{dt}\cos\theta+AB\dfrac{d}{dt}\cos\theta##
##=\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta+A\dfrac{dB}{dt}\cos\theta-AB\sin\theta \dfrac{d\theta}{dt}##
##=\underbrace{\dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}}_{\text{Is this correct?}}+\underbrace{\mathbf{A}\cdot \dfrac{d\mathbf{B}}{dt}}_{\text{Is this correct?}}-AB\sin\theta \dfrac{d\theta}{dt}##

Even if I am correct in the first two terms, the third term is a violation of the required statement of the problem.

Request : A hint as to where am going wrong would be very welcome.
 
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The step where you have asked if it is correct is not correct. I would go so far as to say that the expression ##\vec A \cdot \vec B = AB \cos(\theta)## will not be very useful for this. Instead, I suggest that you write your inner product in terms of the vector components, i.e.,
$$
\vec A \cdot \vec B = \sum_{i = 1}^3 A_i B_i
$$
and work from there.
 
Orodruin said:
The step where you have asked if it is correct is not correct.
I wrote ##\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta = \dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}##. Why is it wrong?
Orodruin said:
I would go so far as to say that the expression A→⋅B→=ABcos⁡(θ) will not be very useful for this
Yes, so it seems, but surely there's got to be a reason why it doesn't work out. Perhaps it is connected to the previous point above.

I have found a solution to the problem in a different way, not far from what you suggested. I'd post it presently. For the moment, I am curious as to why doesn't my method above doesn't work.
 
brotherbobby said:
I wrote ##\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta = \dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}##. Why is it wrong?
Consider the case where ##\mathbf{A}## is changing direction but not magnitude.
 
brotherbobby said:
Yes, so it seems, but surely there's got to be a reason why it doesn't work out.
A more relevant question is: Why you think that it would work out?
You yourself have indicated that you are uncertain and therefore trying to work out why it is or isn't the case is a good place to start. The hint by @Ibix above will provide you with a scenario where it is clearly false.
 
brotherbobby said:
I wrote ##\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta = \dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}##. Why is it wrong?
First ##A = |\vec A| = \sqrt{\vec A \cdot \vec A}## is the magnitide of the vector ##A##. In general ##\frac{dA}{dt} \ne \big | \frac{d \vec A}{dt}\big |##. The obvious example being, as above, when ##\vec A## is changing but not in magnitude.

In any case, assuming that ##\frac{dA}{dt} = \big | \frac{d \vec A}{dt}\big |## is a fundamental misconception.

Also, the angle between ##\vec A## and ##\vec B## is not the same as the angle between ##\frac{d\vec A}{dt}## and ##\vec B##. That's another major misconception.
 
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