The derivative of the dot product "distributes" over each vector

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The discussion centers on the derivative of the dot product of two vectors, ##\mathbf{A}## and ##\mathbf{B}##, and the misconceptions surrounding its distribution over each vector. The expression for the derivative is established as ##\dfrac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{A}\cdot \mathbf{B})=\dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}+\mathbf{A}\cdot \dfrac{d\mathbf{B}}{dt}-AB\sin\theta \dfrac{d\theta}{dt}##. Participants highlight that using the magnitude of vectors in the derivative leads to errors, particularly when the direction of a vector changes without a change in magnitude. A correct approach involves expressing the dot product in terms of vector components, ##\vec A \cdot \vec B = \sum_{i = 1}^3 A_i B_i##.

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Homework Statement
Prove that : ##\boxed{\dfrac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{A}\cdot \mathbf{B})=\dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}+\mathbf{A}\cdot \dfrac{d\mathbf{B}}{dt}}##
Relevant Equations
The dot product of two vectors ##\mathbf{A}## and ##\mathbf{B}## is given by ##\mathbf{A}\cdot \mathbf{B}=AB\cos\theta##, where ##\theta## is the (smaller) angle between them.
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Drawing :
I draw a diagram explaining the situation to the right. The vectors ##\mathbf{A}## and ##\mathbf{B}## are drawn at some time ##t## making an angle ##\theta## between them. At some later time ##t+dt##, the same vectors have changed to ##\mathbf{A}(t+dt)## and ##\mathbf{B}(t+dt)## while their angle has changed to some ##\theta(t+dt)##.


Attempt :

We have ##\dfrac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{A}\cdot \mathbf{B})=\dfrac{d}{dt}(AB\cos\theta)=\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta+A\dfrac{dB}{dt}\cos\theta+AB\dfrac{d}{dt}\cos\theta##
##=\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta+A\dfrac{dB}{dt}\cos\theta-AB\sin\theta \dfrac{d\theta}{dt}##
##=\underbrace{\dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}}_{\text{Is this correct?}}+\underbrace{\mathbf{A}\cdot \dfrac{d\mathbf{B}}{dt}}_{\text{Is this correct?}}-AB\sin\theta \dfrac{d\theta}{dt}##

Even if I am correct in the first two terms, the third term is a violation of the required statement of the problem.

Request : A hint as to where am going wrong would be very welcome.
 
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The step where you have asked if it is correct is not correct. I would go so far as to say that the expression ##\vec A \cdot \vec B = AB \cos(\theta)## will not be very useful for this. Instead, I suggest that you write your inner product in terms of the vector components, i.e.,
$$
\vec A \cdot \vec B = \sum_{i = 1}^3 A_i B_i
$$
and work from there.
 
Orodruin said:
The step where you have asked if it is correct is not correct.
I wrote ##\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta = \dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}##. Why is it wrong?
Orodruin said:
I would go so far as to say that the expression A→⋅B→=ABcos⁡(θ) will not be very useful for this
Yes, so it seems, but surely there's got to be a reason why it doesn't work out. Perhaps it is connected to the previous point above.

I have found a solution to the problem in a different way, not far from what you suggested. I'd post it presently. For the moment, I am curious as to why doesn't my method above doesn't work.
 
brotherbobby said:
I wrote ##\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta = \dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}##. Why is it wrong?
Consider the case where ##\mathbf{A}## is changing direction but not magnitude.
 
brotherbobby said:
Yes, so it seems, but surely there's got to be a reason why it doesn't work out.
A more relevant question is: Why you think that it would work out?
You yourself have indicated that you are uncertain and therefore trying to work out why it is or isn't the case is a good place to start. The hint by @Ibix above will provide you with a scenario where it is clearly false.
 
brotherbobby said:
I wrote ##\dfrac{dA}{dt}B\cos\theta = \dfrac{d\mathbf{A}}{dt}\cdot \mathbf{B}##. Why is it wrong?
First ##A = |\vec A| = \sqrt{\vec A \cdot \vec A}## is the magnitide of the vector ##A##. In general ##\frac{dA}{dt} \ne \big | \frac{d \vec A}{dt}\big |##. The obvious example being, as above, when ##\vec A## is changing but not in magnitude.

In any case, assuming that ##\frac{dA}{dt} = \big | \frac{d \vec A}{dt}\big |## is a fundamental misconception.

Also, the angle between ##\vec A## and ##\vec B## is not the same as the angle between ##\frac{d\vec A}{dt}## and ##\vec B##. That's another major misconception.
 

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