The Effects of Incredibly Small Inertia on Acceleration: A Scientific Inquiry

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The discussion centers on the effects of extremely small inertia (mass) on acceleration, particularly in the context of Newton's laws of motion. Participants explore how small masses interact with forces and the implications for acceleration, including considerations of relativistic effects at high speeds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the clarity of the initial question regarding the definition of inertia and the units used.
  • Another participant clarifies that inertia is being used to mean mass, emphasizing the relevance of the equation ##F=ma##.
  • It is noted that if mass is very small, the resulting acceleration for a given force will be large, but the actual outcome depends on how the force is applied.
  • A participant calculates acceleration using a specific force and mass, arriving at a very large acceleration value, and seeks confirmation of its accuracy.
  • Responses affirm that small forces can indeed produce large accelerations when acting on infinitesimal masses, with a reminder that relativistic effects must be considered at extreme speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration as described by Newton's laws. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of relativistic effects at high accelerations, indicating that the discussion remains partially unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that at extremely high accelerations, relativistic effects may become significant, which complicates the application of Newton's laws. This introduces limitations in the discussion regarding the applicability of classical mechanics at such scales.

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I have a question about inertia (as in mass and Newton's first law) being extremely small. Now, say the inertia of an object is, say, 0.00000000000000000000005 kilograms, or something like that. Would a light, weak force exerted on the object accelerate the object to high speeds, or would it work any differently from that?
 
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I don't think this question is answerable as written. What do you mean by inertia in this context? And what units are you quoting your number in?
 
Ibix said:
I don't think this question is answerable as written. What do you mean by inertia in this context? And what units are you quoting your number in?

For the number, it is kilograms. For inertia, it is the tendency to resist change in motion, whether speeding up, slowing down or changing direction. Newton's first law, to be exact.

Sorry I forgot those details.
 
Ok - so you are using "inertia" to mean "mass". Fine. In that case, ##F=ma## is the only important thing (until we get to relativistic velocity, anyway). If ##m## is very small then ##F/m## will typically be large and so will ##a##.

Exactly what happens depends on how the force is being applied. It might reduce with velocity (like a ship being blown by the wind) or remain constant (like a rocket).
 
Ibix said:
Ok - so you are using "inertia" to mean "mass". Fine. In that case, ##F=ma## is the only important thing (until we get to relativistic velocity, anyway). If ##m## is very small then ##F/m## will typically be large and so will ##a##.

Exactly what happens depends on how the force is being applied. It might reduce with velocity (like a ship being blown by the wind) or remain constant (like a rocket).

So you're saying both the acceleration and the force will be very large?
 
Sundown444 said:
So you're saying both the acceleration and the force will be very large?
No. You didn't specify your force, but I had the impression that it wasn't meant to be tiny. I may have inferred incorrectly.

The acceleration will be ##F/m##. If ##F## is very small then the acceleration will be small. But for a given force, a smaller mass will accelerate faster.
 
Ibix said:
No. You didn't specify your force, but I had the impression that it wasn't meant to be tiny. I may have inferred incorrectly.

The acceleration will be ##F/m##. If ##F## is very small then the acceleration will be small. But for a given force, a smaller mass will accelerate faster.

Okay, so I used a calculator, and I put 500 Newtons over 0.000000000000005 Kilograms and the result I got was 100000000000000000 Meters per second squared. Would that be considered accurate, in that the force here is small and the acceleration is big if the mass or inertia is that small?
 
Sundown444 said:
Okay, so I used a calculator, and I put 500 Newtons over 0.000000000000005 Kilograms and the result I got was 100000000000000000 Meters per second squared. Would that be considered accurate, in that the force here is small and the acceleration is big if the mass or inertia is that small?
Yes.
 
russ_watters said:
Yes.

So small forces can produce large accelerations if there are infinitesimal masses (or inertia) in reality, then?
 
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Sundown444 said:
So small forces can produce large accelerations if there are infinitesimal masses (or inertia) in reality, then?
Yes; a=f/m. The equation works the same for an ant and an aircraft carrier.
 
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russ_watters said:
Yes; a=f/m. The equation works the same for an ant and an aircraft carrier.

Okay, thanks!
 
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Sundown444 said:
Okay, so I used a calculator, and I put 500 Newtons over 0.000000000000005 Kilograms and the result I got was 100000000000000000 Meters per second squared. Would that be considered accurate, in that the force here is small and the acceleration is big if the mass or inertia is that small?
With these numbers you will be up to relativistic velocities in less than a nanosecond, and would need to think about relativity theory rather than Newton's laws. But, with that caveat, you are correct. There's nothing special about small masses.
 
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