The Effects of Water on EM Waveforms

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of water on electromagnetic waveforms, particularly in the context of radio frequency (RF) and microwave spectra. Participants explore concepts related to absorption, reflection, and the behavior of metals in relation to electromagnetic radiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that water absorbs electromagnetic waves in the microwave spectrum, while others question whether it distorts or merely absorbs them.
  • There is a discussion about the gravitational attraction of metals towards electromagnetic waveforms, with some participants seeking clarification on this claim.
  • One participant raises the concept of refraction and Snell's law, questioning its applicability to RF and microwaves.
  • Another participant emphasizes that metals do not attract electromagnetic waveforms but instead impose boundary conditions on electromagnetic radiation, leading to reflection and absorption.
  • There is a clarification that the term "waveform" typically refers to the shape of the wave, while the discussion is about electromagnetic radiation.
  • Participants express confusion over terminology, particularly regarding the concept of a "transmission medium" and the role of metals in antennas for RF reception.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effects of water on electromagnetic waveforms or the role of metals in relation to these waves. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include a lack of clarity on definitions, assumptions about the context of questions, and unresolved technical details regarding the interaction of electromagnetic waves with materials.

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What effect does water have on electromagnetic waveforms?

Does metal attract or reflect EM waveforms (specifically rf)?
 
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Attracts gravitationally.
 
so water absorbs (Microwave spectrum), correct? Is it correct to say that water distorts or just absorbs?

What exactly is meant by metal attracts gravitationally?
 
jastewart said:
What effect does water have on electromagnetic waveforms?

Does metal attract or reflect EM waveforms (specifically rf)?

This is a bit puzzling.

What exactly do you mean by "electromagnetic waveforms"?

Secondly, have you heard of refraction and snell's law?

Thirdly, metals do not attract EM waveforms. Metals and dielectrics impose boundary conditions to EM radiations.

It would help if you provide some context to these questions, and also background info on what you can understand.

Zz.
 
So, what I mean is in the realm of wifi, which I always thought to be rf. Since 2.4GHz is actually in the Microwave "region" if you will, of the electromagnetic spectrum, isn't that the correct way to refer to the actual transmission medium?

Specifically:
What exactly do you mean by "electromagnetic waveforms"? I thought this was the correct way to refer to any freq. whether it is rf, Microwave, UHF, etc.

Secondly, have you heard of refraction(yes, as it applies to light. Is it the same for rf/Microwaves?) and snell's law? I will research this.

Thirdly, metals do not attract EM waveforms. Metals and dielectrics impose boundary conditions to EM radiations. So rf bounces off of metal? Why then do they use metal for antennas to receive rf?
 
jastewart said:
So, what I mean is in the realm of wifi, which I always thought to be rf. Since 2.4GHz is actually in the Microwave "region" if you will, of the electromagnetic spectrum, isn't that the correct way to refer to the actual transmission medium?

Specifically:
What exactly do you mean by "electromagnetic waveforms"? I thought this was the correct way to refer to any freq. whether it is rf, Microwave, UHF, etc.

Secondly, have you heard of refraction(yes, as it applies to light. Is it the same for rf/Microwaves?) and snell's law? I will research this.

Thirdly, metals do not attract EM waveforms. Metals and dielectrics impose boundary conditions to EM radiations. So rf bounces off of metal? Why then do they use metal for antennas to receive rf?

There's a lot of mixed words and terminology here.

First of all, there is no "transmission medium".

Secondly, a "waveform" is typically referred to the SHAPE of the wave, ie wave profile. You are referring to, if I'm guessing correctly, the electromagnetic wave/radiation.

Thirdly, light, as in visible light, is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, which includes X-rays, microwaves, radio waves, gamma rays, infrared, etc.

Finally, when I say metallic and dielectrics impose boundary conditions on EM radiation, there is nothing in there that automatically ruled out transmission, reflection, absorption, etc. I have no idea before what context you are asking the question, so you got a generic answer.

If you are asking about antenna for transmission and reception, this has nothing to do with metals "attracting" EM radiation. It has more to do with metals having conduction electrons that are able to respond to external EM field or applied potential.

Zz.
 

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