The Force on a Current in a Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic force on a current-carrying wire in a magnetic field, specifically focusing on the components of the magnetic field and their relationship to the force experienced by the wire. The problem involves understanding vector components and the application of the magnetic force equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to determine the appropriate magnetic field component to use in the force equation and how to combine the three components of the magnetic field. There is confusion regarding the angle theta and how to compute it in relation to the magnetic field vector.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using the Pythagorean theorem in three dimensions to find the magnitude of the magnetic field vector and suggested using the dot product to find the angle between the current direction and the magnetic field. However, there is still uncertainty about how to apply these concepts to the problem at hand.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the integration of multiple magnetic field components and the implications of the angle between the current and the magnetic field. There is a lack of consensus on how to proceed with the calculations, and some participants express confusion about the three-dimensional aspects of the problem.

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Homework Statement


The x, y, and z components of a magnetic field are Bx = 0.10 T, By = 0.13 T, and Bz = 0.17 T. A 25 cm wire is oriented along the z axis and carries a current of 4.5 A. What is the magnitude of the magnetic force that acts on this wire?



Homework Equations


F=ILB (sin theta)


The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I have
F= (4.5A)(25e-2 m)(B?) (sin 90)

I don't know which value for B to use or how to incorporate the three values together. I tried using the three B values to find three different force values, but I don't know how to "add" the three together.

This may be totally wrong but when I plugged Bx, By and Bz into the above equation I got
Fx=.01125N
Fy=.01462N and
Fz=.01913N

...but I'm pretty sure this is wrong
Please help
 
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The B values are components of a vector. How do you get the length of a vector from its components? The theta in your equation is the angle between the conductor and the magnetic field and is not 90 degrees. How would you compute it?
 
Well, if I only had x and y values I would use the pythagoreom theorum(sp) to add the two, but I don't know how to add in the third z component.

As for determining theta I'm thinking that it would be -tan y/x
soo -tan .13/.10 = 52.4 degrees
but what about the z axis?
I'm so confused.

The z axis is what is throwing me totally off. I don't know how what to do with it.
 
There's a pythagorean theorem in three dimensions as well. Take the square root of the sum of all of the components squared. Along the z-axis in three dimensions means it's direction vector can be written as (0,0,1). The easy way to find the angle between two vectors is to use the dot product. cos(theta)=a.b/(|a|*|b|). Does that ring a bell?
 
I have the same problem, but with different numbers...

"The x, y, and z components of a magnetic field are Bx = 0.12 T, By = 0.12 T, and Bz = 0.17 T. A 25 cm wire is oriented along the z axis and carries a current of 4.6 A. What is the magnitude of the magnetic force that acts on this wire?"

I can not figure it out with what was discussed in earlier posts
 
Someone please help!

So far I have

F=ILBsintheta

F= (4.6)(25)(.24)sintheta

I can not figure out theta :cry::confused:
 
You have a magnetic field direction of (.12,.12,.17) and the z-axis direction of (0,0,1). Look up the 'dot product'. cos(theta) is related to the dot product of those two vectors and their magnitudes.
 

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