The instability of Rutherford's atomic model

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Rutherford's atomic model suggests that electrons orbit a central nucleus, but this leads to the problem of energy loss due to electromagnetic radiation, causing electrons to spiral into the nucleus. The discussion focuses on calculating the time it takes for this spiraling process, using the power loss equation and integrating energy loss over distance. The initial approach involved algebraic manipulation and integration, ultimately leading to a correction regarding the electron's distance from the nucleus at the point of entry. The final calculation for the hydrogen atom yielded a time estimate of approximately 10^-9 seconds. The analysis raises questions about the validity of the methods used, indicating a need for careful consideration in this area of physics.
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I understand Rutherford proposed that electrons orbit around a central nucleus. However, since accelerating charges produce electromagnetic radiation, the orbiting electron should lose energy via E&M and spiral into the nucleus.

But my question is: How do I calculate the time it takes for the electron to spiral into the nucleus, given the rate of energy loss (as a function of acceleration) and the initial electron-nucleus distance?


The power loss equation is: P = (e^2 a^2 ) / (6 pi epsilon c^3)

So far I've thought of calculating the initial energy of the system and integrating the power, and then equating the lost energy to the initial energy; however the final energy is negative inifinity, so this doesn't seem to work.

Algebraic manipulation of circular motion equations didn't get me anywhere either; I'm not really sure how else to proceed now.
 
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You need a differential equation for the radius R.
The P you give is dE/dt.
Use the Bohr formula for E in terms of R, and use a=v^2/R.
 
I realized a mistake in my earlier analysis; when the electron enters the nucleus, r is not 0 but rather on the order or 10^-14 - this means when the electron enters the nucleus, the electric potential energy does not diverge to negtive inifity like I first thought - so I integrated P from initial r to the nucleus radius and found the total energy loss.

Then I found the average power loss by dividing the power integral by the interval I integrated over (r final - r initial); for the hydrogen atom I came up with time = 10^-9 which seems about right.

Does my analysis make sense though? I haven't had much experience with in this particular part of physics and I'm not sure if I just came up with a reasonable answer by a wrong route.
 
Your approach is probably good for an approximation, but is not correct for getting the desired value.
 
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