The mechanics of gamma ray bursts

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of gamma ray bursts (GRBs), specifically focusing on the formation of jets associated with these phenomena. Participants explore various theories and models, including the Blandford–Znajek process, and consider the implications of neutron star observations in relation to black hole models.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how jets from gamma ray bursts help prevent black holes from spinning too fast, seeking further explanation and resources.
  • Another participant notes that the formation of jets could be contentious, highlighting potential conflicts between observations of neutron stars and the conventional black hole model.
  • Several links to articles and research papers are shared, suggesting they may provide useful insights into the topic of gamma ray bursts and jet formation.
  • It is mentioned that the leading theory for explaining GRBs is the Blandford–Znajek process.
  • One participant proposes that if a collapsing core can produce a jet in a gamma ray burst, then a similar process should occur in a neutron star, questioning why this would not be the case.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that gamma ray flashes can originate from thunderstorms on Earth, suggesting this might be easier to explain than stellar phenomena.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the differences in jet formation between neutron stars and black holes, particularly regarding the presence or absence of an accretion disk and the effects of magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of jet formation in gamma ray bursts and neutron stars, indicating that multiple competing theories exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of these processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions and conditions that may affect the formation of jets, such as the role of magnetic fields and the structure of the accretion disk in neutron stars versus black holes. These factors are not fully explored or agreed upon.

Abdul.119
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I've been googling explanation for gamma ray bursts but couldn't find any that explain how and why the jets actually form, in one website I read that the jets have to be there to "carry off momentum and keep the black hole from spinning too fast", and no other details are mentioned in that regard. How does it keep the black hole from spinning too fast exactly?
If you can lead me to good articles I would appreciate that
 
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Bernie G said:
How jets form could be a touchy, argumentative subject; there might be a conflict between neutron star jet observations and the conventional singularity/event-horizon black hole model.

Maybe try: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysical_jet

And see assumption 9 at: http://www.holoscience.com/wp/strange-star-or-strange-science/

Thanks your first link was quite useful, it has guided me to good places to look at.
These are very useful, for anyone interested:
http://web.mit.edu/dvp/www/Work/8.224/dvp-8.224-paper.pdf
https://homepages.dias.ie/cappa/work_shop/jets_dublin.pdf

The leading theory for explaining GRBs is the Blandford–Znajek process
 
Abdul.119 said:
These are very useful, for anyone interested:
https://homepages.dias.ie/cappa/work_shop/jets_dublin.pdf

It says: "In GRBs, a relativistic jet from the collapsing core pushes its way through the stellar envelope."

All right! Then why shouldn't a collapsing core in a neutron star do the same thing? Thats a good explanation of "how and why the jets actually form".
 
Gamma ray ray flashes originate right here on Earth in thunderstorms. Someone should try to explain that as it should be easier than explaining the more distant phenomenon.
 
Dotini said:
Gamma ray ray flashes originate right here on Earth in thunderstorms. Someone should try to explain that as it should be easier than explaining the more distant phenomenon.

Its interesting that even anti matter can be formed in thunderstorms, but thunderstorms don't help much explaining what happens when a star core collapses.
 
Bernie G said:
It says: "In GRBs, a relativistic jet from the collapsing core pushes its way through the stellar envelope."

All right! Then why shouldn't a collapsing core in a neutron star do the same thing? Thats a good explanation of "how and why the jets actually form".

It is thought that in NS case, accretion disk either isn't formed at all (say, impeded by magnetic fields, which don't exist in BH case), or if it is formed, it lacks the most energetic inner part (because NS is too big, and accreting material impacts the surface).
 
Reviewed theories ... it says: "In GRBs, a relativistic jet from the collapsing core pushes its way through the stellar envelope."

If a collapsing core makes a GRB burst jet, then a slowly collapsing core in a neutron star should make a continuous jet.
 

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