The number of ways of placing M atoms on the interstices of a lattice

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The problem involves determining the number of ways to move M atoms from their lattice sites to interstitial positions in a simple cubic crystal lattice, given N atoms and N interstitial sites. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem and seeks assistance.

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  • Participants discuss the meaning of the squared term in the expression for W, with some clarifying that it represents the number of choices for both the atoms and the interstitial sites. There is also a question about the significance of the marks associated with the problem.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the mathematical expression involved and the criteria for scoring. Some participants are exploring the implications of the problem's requirements, while others are questioning the original poster's approach and the context of the question.

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There is a mention of the question being worth 6 marks, which raises questions about the expectations for the solution. Additionally, the original poster's source for the question is queried, indicating potential constraints on the context of the problem.

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Hi,

N atoms are arranged to lie on a simple cubic crystal lattice. Then
M of these atoms are moved from their lattice sites to lie at the
interstices of the lattice, that is points which lie centrally between the
lattice sites. Assume that the atoms are placed in the interstices in a
way which is completely independent of the positions of the vacancies.
Show that the number of ways of taking M atoms from lattice sites
and placing them on interstices is W = (N!/M!(N − M)!)2 if there
are N interstitial sites where displaced atoms can sit.

I literally do not know where to start with this question I know W is the number of ways of choosing M atoms from N atoms but I don't really know where to go with this.

Help would be great.

Thanks :)
 
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What does the 2 mean? W = (N!/M!(N − M)!)2?

This can be expressed as (N choose M)2. And it does exactly what the name suggests: (N choose M) calculates the number of ways to choose M atoms out of N (to decide which atoms you move), and you get the same factor again for the choice of the interstitials.
 
mfb said:
What does the 2 mean? W = (N!/M!(N − M)!)2?

This can be expressed as (N choose M)2. And it does exactly what the name suggests: (N choose M) calculates the number of ways to choose M atoms out of N (to decide which atoms you move), and you get the same factor again for the choice of the interstitials.

Hi yes the 2 should be a squared. This question is worth 6 marks. What would you have to do to get so many marks other than writing what you suggested?
 
I have no idea about the scale of the marks, but writing that down in a more ordered way should be sufficient.
 
ppy said:
N atoms are arranged to lie on a simple cubic crystal lattice. Then
M of these atoms are moved from their lattice sites to lie at the
interstices of the lattice, that is points which lie centrally between the
lattice sites. Assume that the atoms are placed in the interstices in a
way which is completely independent of the positions of the vacancies.
Show that the number of ways of taking M atoms from lattice sites
and placing them on interstices is W = (N!/M!(N − M)!)2 if there
are N interstitial sites where displaced atoms can sit.Thanks :)
From which book you have taken this question?
 
This thread is from 2013, it is unlikely that OP is still around.
 

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