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The physics of the greenhouse effect.

  1. May 25, 2012 #1
    I have to do some research on the greenhouse effect (the physics of it anyway)
    I am not to familiar with the topic and am on a tight schedule.

    If anyone has some interesting links, thoughts please share.

    I am interested in the role of clouds in GHG (greenhouse gases), how much do we know about this?

    also any thoughts on Gerlich & Tsceuschnur paper (Falsification Of
    The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics)

    here is a link if anyone is interested
    http://arxiv.org/pdf/0707.1161v4.pdf

    In the abstract they say The atmospheric greenhouse effect, an idea that many authors trace back to the traditional works of Fourier (1824), Tyndall (1861), and Arrhenius (1896), and which is still supported in global climatology, essentially describes a fictitious mechanism, in which a planetary atmosphere acts as a heat pump driven by an environment that is radiatively interacting with but radiatively equilibrated to the atmospheric system. Ac- cording to the second law of thermodynamics such a planetary machine can never exist."

    how true is this? are these guys credible?

    anymore relevant information on absorption/emission properties of molecules? Line broadening? CO2 line saturation.


    I'm confused I went from one physics teacher telling me it was a load of garbage because of the clouds and the oceans.

    Now I have my new physics prof. telling me it's all true and it's very alarming?

    Im only a student with limit knowledge and it's hard to find information that isn't to abstract but not to "blanket over the earth" analogues.

    Please any input is greatly appreciated. And please just keep to the physics of it I don't care about the "debate".
     
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  3. May 25, 2012 #2
    It's true, but I think climate change is a banned topic here.
     
  4. May 25, 2012 #3

    ZapperZ

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    1. See if the paper has been published. If it hasn't, and the preprint appeared in, what, 2009, then you should find something dubious here.

    2. See a rebuttal of this paper in:

    J.B. Halpern et al., Int. J. Mod. Phys. B v.24, p.1309 (2010).

    In the future, please use ONLY peer-reviewed publications as citation or sources. The list of accepted peer-reviewed journals for this forum can be found in the same thread as our PF Rules.

    3. As has been mentioned, climate change topics are banned at the moment.

    Zz.
     
  5. May 25, 2012 #4

    Borek

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    I have here a pdf copy of Principles of Planetary Climate by R. T. Pierrehumbert. At the moment book is published by Oxford University Press and no longer available for download, but I believe the copy I downloaded last year from the author's site is completely legal, at least I wasn't able to find anything that would say I should delete it from my disk and not give it to others. Please contact me off line if you want it.
     
  6. May 25, 2012 #5
    3. Oops sorry. noted.
     
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