The Plane Electromagnetic Wave in Vacuum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of plane electromagnetic waves in vacuum, particularly focusing on the effects of Lorentz transformations on wave parameters such as frequency (ω) and wave number (k). Participants explore the implications of these transformations on the phase velocity of the wave and its consistency across different inertial frames.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for a plane electromagnetic wave and states that the phase velocity should remain constant despite changes in ω and k after Lorentz transformation.
  • Another participant challenges this assertion, claiming that the value of ω/k does change after transformation and suggests a possible error in the math of the first participant.
  • A third participant provides the Lorentz transformation equations for time and space, indicating how ω and k transform under these conditions.
  • A subsequent reply suggests substituting ω = ck into the transformation equations to simplify the analysis.
  • One participant acknowledges the correctness of a previous contribution and mentions that the transformations can lead to the derivation of the relativistic Doppler Effect without needing to reference the source's position.
  • Another participant reiterates the usefulness of the derived formula for the relativistic Doppler Effect, suggesting it reflects a deeper understanding of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the behavior of ω/k under Lorentz transformations, with some asserting it changes and others maintaining it does not. The discussion remains unresolved as differing viewpoints are presented without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential errors in mathematical expressions, as noted by participants, but these remain unverified within the discussion. The implications of the transformations on the phase velocity and the derivation of the relativistic Doppler Effect are also points of contention.

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A plane electromagnetic wave[traveling in the x-direction in an inertial frame]in vacuum is usually represented by an equation of the form:

{E}{=}{E_{0}}{exp{[}{i}{(}{k}{x}{-}{\omega}{t}{)}{]}}

The wave velocity[phase velocity] is given by:

{c}{=}{\frac{\omega}{k}}

We can perform Lorentz transformation on t and x[and y,z] to some other inertial frame moving in the x-x' direction.

The value {\frac{\omega}{k}} changes after transformation.But the value of c [wave velocity=phase velocity]should not change.
How does one explain this?
[If one considers a wave packet in vacuum each component should have the same speed=c]
 
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Anamitra said:
The value {\frac{\omega}{k}} changes after transformation.
No it doesn't. You must have made a mistake in your math.
 
{t}{=}{\gamma}{(}{t^{'}}{+}{\frac{vx^{'}}{c^{2}}{)}
{x}{=}{\gamma}{(}{x^{'}}{+}{vt^{'}}{)}

{{k}{x}{-}{\omega}{t}}{=}{x^{'}}{\gamma}{(}{k}{-}{v}{/}{c^{2}}{)}{-}{{t}^{'}}{\gamma}{(}{\omega}{-}{kv}{)}

{\frac{{\omega}^{'}}{k^{'}}}{=}{\frac{{\omega}{-}{kv}}{{k}{-}{{v}{\omega}{/}{c^{2}}}
 
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Yes, you almost have it. Now just make the substitution:
\omega=ck
And simplify.
 
Dalespam is of course correct. Thanks for that.

In fact we can get the formulas for relativistic Doppler Effect from the transformations of "omega" and "k" in the formulas of thread #3, without any reference to the position/location of the source[there is a small typing error in the second last formula of thread #3]
 
Anamitra said:
In fact we can get the formulas for relativistic Doppler Effect from the transformations of "omega" and "k" in the formulas of thread #3, without any reference to the position/location of the source
Yes, that is a very useful formula. I am glad you know how to derive it. I think that is a deeper level of understanding than just using the formula.
 

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