The Republican Candidates and Evolution

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The discussion centers around the beliefs of Republican candidates regarding evolution, sparked by a moment during a debate where several candidates indicated they do not believe in evolution. Participants explore the implications of this stance, the motivations behind it, and the broader context of public opinion on evolution among different political groups.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the honesty of the candidates who raised their hands, suggesting they may be lying for political gain.
  • Others argue that a significant number of people, including politicians, do not understand evolution, which may explain their beliefs.
  • Specific candidates, such as Tom Tancredo, Sam Brownback, and Mike Huckabee, are mentioned as those who raised their hands, with varying interpretations of their beliefs.
  • One participant suggests that it is plausible that the candidates genuinely do not believe in evolution, while another posits that it is more likely a strategic political move.
  • Statistics are shared indicating that a large percentage of Republican voters do not believe in evolution, which some participants use to argue that candidates may be aligning their public statements with voter beliefs.
  • There is a suggestion that the candidates' religious backgrounds may influence their views on evolution, with some participants doubting their honesty about these beliefs.
  • Several participants highlight the possibility that those who did not raise their hands could also be lying about their beliefs.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of electing candidates who do not accept evolution, with some expressing strong opposition to such candidates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the candidates are lying about their beliefs regarding evolution. There are multiple competing views on the motivations behind their statements and the likelihood of their actual beliefs.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference public opinion statistics and the potential influence of political strategy on personal beliefs, but there is no agreement on the accuracy of the candidates' claims or the motivations behind them.

  • #31
I like the old saying (don't know who said it) that only in America do most people believe professional wrestling is real and the moon landing wasn't. I think I have as deep a faith as any of the candidates, but the evidence for evolution is overwhelming. Some of the mechanisms are still open to question, but the existence of evolution is no more open to question than, say, the 1st law of thermodynamics (oops, many Americans still believe you can burn water in your car). My lament is that so many of us are so ignorant about the very basics of science. Forums like PF are a help, but you can't get most politicians to participate.
 
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  • #32
TVP45 said:
the 1st law of thermodynamics (oops, many Americans still believe you can burn water in your car). My lament is that so many of us are so ignorant about the very basics of science.

If it makes you feel any better, Asia has equally stupid ideas.

Fan Death!
"Many people in South Korea believe that when operated in closed rooms, electric fans cause sudden death, suffocating victims by stealing their oxygen."
:smile:
 
  • #33
ShawnD said:
If it makes you feel any better, Asia has equally stupid ideas.

Fan Death!
"Many people in South Korea believe that when operated in closed rooms, electric fans cause sudden death, suffocating victims by stealing their oxygen."
:smile:
And just when I was counting on China to forgive our debt and India to start opening factories here.
 
  • #34
What was the latest? 25% of Brits think that Gandhi and Churchill were myths...
 
  • #35
I'm thinking a position as a roadie with Douglas Adams is looking better and better.
 
  • #36
McCain seems to have fallen in the creationist trap.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/politics/90069

As the Gallup Poll noted, McCain has a generally consistent conservative voting record but forged a national reputation after a series of notable breaks with fellow Republicans. On Tuesday, though, he sided with the president on two issues that have made headlines recently: teaching intelligent design in schools and Cindy Sheehan, the grieving mother who has come to personify the anti-war movement. McCain told the Star that, like Bush, he believes "all points of view" should be available to students studying the origins of mankind. The theory of intelligent design says life is too complex to have developed through evolution, and that a higher power must have had a hand in guiding it.
 
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