The Speed of Time: Unfathomable Mystery

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of time, particularly its relationship with speed and motion, as well as the implications of Einstein's theories on relativity. Participants explore various interpretations of time as a dimension, its constancy, and how it may be perceived differently based on an observer's velocity. The scope includes theoretical considerations, conceptual clarifications, and speculative ideas.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that time is a human invention for measuring cycles, while others argue it is a relative concept as described by Einstein, where time is affected by an object's speed and position.
  • A participant suggests that as one approaches the speed of light, time must slow down to prevent exceeding that speed, raising questions about the nature of time in relation to motion.
  • Another viewpoint indicates that the speed of light is not the only constant, and the effects of approaching this speed are more complex than simply slowing down time.
  • One participant introduces the idea that time may need to "chase" an object moving at high speeds, leading to the perception that time slows down for the moving observer compared to a stationary one.
  • There is a discussion about whether time can be considered a dimension in the same way as spatial dimensions, with some arguing that time is a coordinate rather than a dimension of freedom.
  • Some participants express confusion about the implications of time as a dimension and whether it can be treated similarly to spatial dimensions in physics.
  • One participant questions the notion of time having a "speed" and whether it can be measured in relation to entropy, suggesting a potential intertwining of time and speed.
  • Another participant reflects on the historical perspective of time as a parameter for physical processes, indicating a shift in understanding with the advent of relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of time, with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on the relativity of time, while others contest how it should be classified or understood in relation to speed and dimensions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying interpretations of time as a dimension versus a coordinate, and the implications of speed on the perception of time remain unresolved. Some mathematical steps and definitions are not fully clarified, leading to ongoing debate.

  • #61
ok i am having trouble with the platform theory in the very first post. you are on a platform that is moving through space at the speed of light, and you are walking at ten miles an hour on this platform. well it doesn't matter if you are walking at ten hundred or zero miles an hour on the platform as it does not add to the total speed, your platform is traveling at the speed of light you could be sitting, walking, or doing things with your girl/boy friend, the platform and therefore you will still be traveling at the same speed regardless.and i think the reason we can't travel faster than the speed of light is because when we move energy is turned into acceleration energy and mass, the faster we go a higher percentage turns to mass, and as we approach the speed of light all the energy transfers to mass which means you then have no more acceleration energy and can't speed up any more, this means we can travel AT the speed of light but not faster than light, which is why the situation in the first post wouldn't work. [zz)] [zz)] [zz)] [zz)]
 
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  • #62
Originally posted by Tom Leigh
Time and whether it exists.

To me time is the passing of information through consciousness, which you physicists never include into your equations. Have you read the book, The End of Time, The Next Revolution in Physics, by Julian Barbour. He postulate that time doesn’t exist at all. (You can find him on the web)

I agree with a lot of his arguments, but he too tries to leave consciousness out of his equations and it just doesn’t work. Think about it. Unless you are consciousness nothing exists for you. If none of us were, if consciousness didn’t exist anywhere could anything at all exist? I postulate that it couldn’t.

So you in fact belief that before conscious organisms came into being in the course of evolution, nothing whatsoever existed?

This is like the religious belief that a Deity created all of the universe and man at the same time.

However, we know from physisc that Earth existed long before there was any life.

So clearly there was something existing before there was consciousness. Matter is primary, and consciousness is secondary.
 
  • #63
Originally posted by heusdens
So you in fact belief that before conscious organisms came into being in the course of evolution, nothing whatsoever existed?

This is like the religious belief that a Deity created all of the universe and man at the same time.

However, we know from physisc that Earth existed long before there was any life.

So clearly there was something existing before there was consciousness. Matter is primary, and consciousness is secondary.

Just weighing into say that the scenario might just be the other way around: that CONSCIOUSNESS -- as the Primal Energy -- PRECEDED the "condensation" of "matter" FROM it (consciousness).

The fact that, at the moment, consciousness cannot be detected or measured -- except by its EFFECT -- does not preclude its existence as a "material" (i.e., SOME sort of SUBSTANCE) thing!

I'm with Leigh...and as I have said before: any cosmological theory that does not include the nature and evolution of CONSCIOUSNESS is an INCOMPLETE THEORY!
 

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