The Speed of Time: Unfathomable Mystery

[LogicalAtheist]

Totoro - please repost your concept in a way that makes sense. It's missing many words and thus I can't even tell what you're saying.

 

[Tom Leigh]

Time and whether it exists.

To me time is the passing of information through consciousness, which you physicists never include into your equations. Have you read the book, The End of Time, The Next Revolution in Physics, by Julian Barbour. He postulate that time doesn’t exist at all. (You can find him on the web)

I agree with a lot of his arguments, but he too tries to leave consciousness out of his equations and it just doesn’t work. Think about it. Unless you are consciousness nothing exists for you. If none of us were, if consciousness didn’t exist anywhere could anything at all exist? I postulate that it couldn’t.

Barbour is saying in his book I think, in a roundabout way spaced with a lot a maths, that the universe is consciousness and time is thought. Hence nothing moves.

Yet thought moves, or rather information moves through consciousness, hence time.

There is I believe this region, which I call the Psychron Zone, Barbour called it Platonia, where all thoughts meet and link. That ‘place’ is the universe.

 

[totoro]

LogicalAtheist, you can read the book, elegant universe, because i copy it from that book. it is in page 50 saying about motion through spacetime. after thinking for sometime, i found out that is me that don't understand. I'm started to understand now why we cannot compare the two. I'm really happy that begin with don't understand to understanding.

the happiest thing for us is not the answer, but the process itself. we experience it by ourself. thank you very much LogicalAtheist and now i really really need to rethink my idea. thanks!

 

[LogicalAtheist]

Happy to here you're comment totoro. As for the book, I think I will get it ASAP as I need a good book to read before school starts next month. It's on my amazon.com list

 

[LURCH]

Originally posted by totoro
LogicalAtheist, you can read the book, elegant universe, because i copy it from that book. it is in page 50 saying about motion through spacetime.

LOL! That's where I got my statement that the speed of time is c. The idea is that every material object has a total volocity of c through spacetime. Any movement in one direction is subtracted from one's progress through other dimensions. Example; if you move North at 10khp, and I check your progress one hour from now, you'll be 10k North of where you were. But, if you go North-East, at the same speed, one hour from now I'll find you only 5k further North. Your 10kph volocity has been split; 5k North and 5k East.

So, taking your total volocity through spacetime as c, I add the sum of your volocities as; 5kph Northward, 5kph Eastward, and "c - 10kph" Forward through Time (entropy-ward?)!

 

[drag]

Greetings Tom Leigh !

Well, I do not disagree with you Tom Leigh
because anything's possible and I can't
refute such a possibility, it's also an
intresting one.

However, what you have to realize is that
science is only there to deal with the
data we observe. Now if we observe evidence
for the above - it won't be a reasonable
and self-consistent possibility, will it ?

Otherwise, however, it just remains a possibility.
Further more, it is an unnecessary assumption.
Science does NOT assume that everything is
"physical", there is not even a definition
for that word. Science is just about observing
the data we receive - whatever its source and
wether it has a source at all or not.

Live long and prosper.

 

[sheldon]

lets go the opposite direction from C, what about absolute Zero, no motion, Can time exist if motion does not? can energy exist in motionless.

 

[heusdens]

What about the speed (increase) of time?
I think that same as space expands, also time expands. So, effectively the time between now and the Big Bang was an infinite amount of time.

 

[newton1]

well...
i still dun think the time should have speed
just like what i said before
time is only a dimension or coordinate
only the object in the dimension have speed
absolute zore will not make the time stop
this only show the entropy is zero
nothing will make the time stop

 

[heusdens]

Originally posted by sheldon
lets go the opposite direction from C, what about absolute Zero, no motion, Can time exist if motion does not? can energy exist in motionless.

No matter in whatever form (including energy) can exist without motion/change, which means time has to exist.

If there is no motion, then neither there is matter. We can conceive of this as "pure time" (time without any foreign admixtures).

 

[DR OF DEATH]

ok i am having trouble with the platform theory in the very first post. you are on a platform that is moving through space at the speed of light, and you are walking at ten miles an hour on this platform. well it doesn't matter if you are walking at ten hundred or zero miles an hour on the platform as it does not add to the total speed, your platform is traveling at the speed of light you could be sitting, walking, or doing things with your girl/boy friend, the platform and therefore you will still be traveling at the same speed regardless.and i think the reason we can't travel faster than the speed of light is becuase when we move energy is turned into acceleration energy and mass, the faster we go a higher percentage turns to mass, and as we approach the speed of light all the energy transfers to mass which means you then have no more acceleration energy and can't speed up any more, this means we can travel AT the speed of light but not faster than light, which is why the situation in the first post wouldn't work. [zz)] [zz)] [zz)] [zz)]

 

[heusdens]

Originally posted by Tom Leigh
Time and whether it exists.

To me time is the passing of information through consciousness, which you physicists never include into your equations. Have you read the book, The End of Time, The Next Revolution in Physics, by Julian Barbour. He postulate that time doesn’t exist at all. (You can find him on the web)

I agree with a lot of his arguments, but he too tries to leave consciousness out of his equations and it just doesn’t work. Think about it. Unless you are consciousness nothing exists for you. If none of us were, if consciousness didn’t exist anywhere could anything at all exist? I postulate that it couldn’t.

So you in fact belief that before conscious organisms came into being in the course of evolution, nothing whatsoever existed?

This is like the religious belief that a Deity created all of the universe and man at the same time.

However, we know from physisc that Earth existed long before there was any life.

So clearly there was something existing before there was consciousness. Matter is primary, and consciousness is secondary.

 

[M. Gaspar]

Originally posted by heusdens
So you in fact belief that before conscious organisms came into being in the course of evolution, nothing whatsoever existed?

This is like the religious belief that a Deity created all of the universe and man at the same time.

However, we know from physisc that Earth existed long before there was any life.

So clearly there was something existing before there was consciousness. Matter is primary, and consciousness is secondary.

Just weighing into say that the scenario might just be the other way around: that CONSCIOUSNESS -- as the Primal Energy -- PRECEDED the "condensation" of "matter" FROM it (consciousness).

The fact that, at the moment, consciousness cannot be detected or measured -- except by its EFFECT -- does not preclude its existence as a "material" (i.e., SOME sort of SUBSTANCE) thing!

I'm with Leigh...and as I have said before: any cosmological theory that does not include the nature and evolution of CONSCIOUSNESS is an INCOMPLETE THEORY!