The use of diode in this circuit....

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The discussion revolves around the use of a diode in a specific circuit involving a transistor, focusing on its role in protecting the transistor's emitter-base junction from reverse overvoltage. Participants explore the implications of the diode's presence or absence, the behavior of the circuit under different voltage conditions, and the overall functionality of the circuit.

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  • Some participants propose that the diode protects the transistor by preventing excess current from flowing from the emitter to the base during reverse bias conditions.
  • Others argue that the voltage at the base cannot be lower than -0.7V due to the diode's presence, which raises questions about the behavior of the circuit under negative voltages.
  • A later reply questions the assertion that the base-emitter junction can only be reverse biased for voltages larger than -5V, suggesting that any voltage lower than -0.7V would suffice.
  • Some participants assert that removing the diode would alter the output waveform, potentially leading to a square wave with softer edges.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of a negative supply to allow the circuit to source current, with varying opinions on the requirements for the circuit's operation.
  • One participant mentions the presence of two diodes connected in parallel with reversed polarities, discussing the implications of their configuration on voltage drop and current flow.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the behavior of the circuit with and without the diode, as well as the conditions under which the transistor operates. There is no consensus on several technical points, particularly concerning voltage thresholds and the implications of the diode's presence.

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Participants express uncertainty about the maximum reverse breakdown voltage and the specific conditions under which the transistor operates, indicating a need for clarity on definitions and assumptions related to the circuit's design.

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please help me guys

My inference to above circuit...
The negative cycle of the output signal from the driver is entirely clipped off before getting to switching transistor..this however don't have any effect on output because the transistor won't conduct for negative cycles but when due to any circumstance the reverse bias voltage on the base of the transistor increases the excess current would flow from emitter to base and then to ground via the diode thus protecting the transistor...am i right..?

Does this circuit always sink current...?
What would be the output when the diode is not present..?
In order to make this circuit source current do i require a negative supply..?
 

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brainbaby said:
but when due to any circumstance the reverse bias voltage on the base of the transistor increases the excess current would flow from emitter to base and then to ground via the diode thus protecting the transistor...am i right..?
You are right.

The purpose of the diode is to protect the emitter-base junction from "reverse overvoltage".

Absolute maximum VEB = 7V

http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/2466/MOSPEC/2N3055.html

But the current will go to VEE ( negative power-supply, not shown ).
 
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For this circuit the voltage at base cannot be lower than -0.7V because the diode do not allow to this to happen.
brainbaby said:
please help me guys
the reverse bias voltage on the base of the transistor increases the excess current would flow from emitter to base and then to ground via the diode thus protecting the transistor...am i right..?
No wrong. For negative driver voltage larger than -0.7V the diode will start to conduct a current. And this current will flow from GND through diode--->1kΩ resistor---> driver output--->Vee---->GND.
brainbaby said:
What would be the output when the diode is not present..?
For the positive voltage BJT is in saturation.
But for the negative voltage larger than 5V the base-emitter junction is in reverse biased and current will flow through it, but no current will flow through collector.

brainbaby said:
Does this circuit always sink current...?
In order to make this circuit source current do i require a negative supply..?
Which part of a circuit?
 
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brainbaby said:
Does this circuit always sink current...?
As seen from the load: Yes.
brainbaby said:
What would be the output when the diode is not present..?
I assume the output is a squarewave. If you remove the diode, you will have to supply the op-amp by VCC and ground, thereby making the upper corners in the squarewave more soft: ∩ instead of ∏.
brainbaby said:
In order to make this circuit source current do i require a negative supply..?
It requires something like a complementary output stage.
 
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Hesch said:
brainbaby said:
but when due to any circumstance the reverse bias voltage on the base of the transistor increases the excess current would flow from emitter to base and then to ground via the diode thus protecting the transistor...am i right..?
You are right.
Are you sure about this ? How can a current flow from base to ground via forward biased diode for negative voltage at the driver?
 
Jony130 said:
But for the negative voltage larger than 5V the base-emitter junction is in reverse biased

But the base emitter junction could be reversed bias for any bias voltage larger than -0.7V..so why you said that it should be more than -5V in order to reverse bias it..
Are you taking about maximum reverse breakdown voltage...provided by the driver ( in extreme cases) ??
 
Jony130 said:
For this circuit the voltage at base cannot be lower than -0.7V because the diode do not allow to this to happen.
Also as you said that the voltage at the base cannot be greater that -0.7 V ...then how can the voltage be -5V..??
 
Hesch said:
You are right.
The purpose of the diode is to protect the emitter-base junction from "reverse overvoltage".
But i don't think so that the emitter-base junction would go into reverse overvoltage ..since the diode won't let it do ..as Jony 130 said..
 
brainbaby said:
But i don't think so that the emitter-base junction would go into reverse overvoltage ..since the diode won't let it do
Hesch said:
But the current will go to VEE ( negative power-supply, not shown ).
Say that the diode is removed and that the opamp is supplied by ±12V ( Vcc/Vee ), then the opamp could pull down the base of the transistor to say -11V while the emitter voltage is 0V ( ground ).

It would be quite normal to supply the circuit by these voltages.

That's why I think your assumption is correct in #1.
 
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brainbaby said:
But the base emitter junction could be reversed bias for any bias voltage larger than -0.7V..so why you said that it should be more than -5V in order to reverse bias it..
Are you taking about maximum reverse breakdown voltage...provided by the driver ( in extreme cases) ??
brainbaby said:
Also as you said that the voltage at the base cannot be greater that -0.7 V ...then how can the voltage be -5V..??
LOL
First you ask :

What would be the output when the diode is not present..?


And my answer is :
For the positive voltage at the driver output BJT is in saturation, so base voltage is 0.7V and Vce is = 0.2V.
For the negative voltage at the driver output, voltage larger than -5V can breakdown transistor base-emitter junction, so the base-emitter is in reverse biased and if driver voltage is larger than -5V the b-e junction breaksdown and current will start flow through it, but no current will flow through collector. So Vce = Vcc.
 
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brainbaby said:
base cannot be greater that -0.7 V
Actually i am sorry for the typo in post 7...instead it should be "cannot be less than"...after that now my confusion is solved..(self perpetuating vortex)...since the diode strictly hold that voltage to -0.7V...
 
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So when the diode is present all of the current which flows across the b-e junction(earlier in diode's absence) now flows through diode as the reverse bias ain't increases to larger levels (-5V)..hence the junction gets protected from breakdown ...am i right?
 
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Simple please notice that in this circuit we have two diodes connected in parallel but with their polarities reversed (anti-parallel connection). And as you should know from the basics that if we have two component connected in parallel with each other there will be the same voltage drop across them.
So when one of a diode is in forward biased the other diode will see the "forward" voltage of the conducting diode.
 
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