The Wiedemann Effect: Magnetization Inducing Torsion?

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The discussion revolves around the Wiedemann effect, specifically the concept of helical magnetization potentially inducing torsion in materials. Participants explore the relationship between magnetization, magnetostriction, and the mechanical deformation of rods under magnetic fields, touching on theoretical and experimental aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the nature of helical magnetization and its ability to induce torsion, noting that magnetization is akin to looping currents, which typically do not cause bending in wires.
  • Others introduce the concept of magnetostriction, suggesting that atomic distances influenced by electron orbitals or spin orientations can lead to macroscopic shape changes in materials.
  • A participant explains the Wiedemann effect as a manifestation of magnetostriction, describing how a ferromagnetic rod experiences torsional oscillation when subjected to a combination of longitudinal and circular magnetic fields.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the magnetostrictive strain, with one participant noting that it appears to be always negative and questioning whether this indicates that only compressive effects are possible.
  • Questions arise regarding whether the deformations caused by the Wiedemann effect are plastic or elastic, with some suggesting that they are primarily elastic but may vary in certain materials.
  • Another participant mentions the properties of magnetostrictive composites, specifically Metglas, highlighting its high saturation-magnetostriction constant and significant reductions in effective Young's modulus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of helical magnetization and its effects, as well as the characteristics of the resulting deformations (elastic vs. plastic). The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these effects and the conditions under which they occur.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of materials under magnetic fields, the definitions of terms like "helical magnetization," and the specific conditions that may influence the outcomes described.

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Recently saw something unusual that says a helical magnetization could alternatively induce torsion within a rod. Know that electromagnetic effects can induce stresses( hall effect, I guess), temperature can, sound waves can, but I fail to understand what they mean by a helical field, is it even possible and what causes the field to bend the material itself, because magnetization is nothing different from looping currents and wires do not seem to bend due to something like "electic pressure". Curious.
 
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vin300 said:
because magnetization is nothing different from looping currents
Or electron orbit or spin orientations. Distances between atoms can depend on those, and the macroscopic shape depends on those distances.
Overall, this is called Magnetostriction.
Wires rarely show this effect because it is way too small.
 
The twisting of a ferromagnetic rod through which an electric current is flowing when the rod is placed in a longitudinal magnetic field. It was discovered by the German physicist Gustav Wiedemann in 1858 [1] . The Wiedemann effect is one of the manifestations of magnetostriction in a field formed by the combination of a longitudinal magnetic field and a circular magnetic field that is created by an electric current. If the electric current (or the magnetic field) is alternating, the rod will begin torsional oscillation.

In linear approach angle of rod torsion α does not depend on its cross-section form and is defined only by current density and magnetoelastic properties of the rod:[2]

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The hysterisis shows magnetization in response to the field in like direction non linearly, but magnetostrictive strain direction as always negative though increasing with increasing field, so is this supposed to be showing that only compressive effect is possible?
 
Another question is whether these deformations are plastic or elastic.
 
vin300 said:
Another question is whether these deformations are plastic or elastic.

It appears that these deformations are elastic in nature-though in certain materials its Youngs modulus gets reduced i.e. the strain is larger.
common magnetostrictive composite is the amorphous alloy its trade name Metglas
Favourable properties of this material are its high saturation-magnetostriction constant, λ, of about 20 microstrains and more, coupled with a low magnetic-anisotropy field strength, HA, of less than 1 kA/m (to reach magnetic saturation). It also exhibits a very strong ΔE-effect with reductions in the effective Young's modulus up to about 80% in bulk. This helps build energy-efficient magnetic MEMS.[
see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction>
 
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