Thermal conductivity and heat capacity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the derivation of thermal conductivity for gases using kinetic theory, specifically addressing the role of heat capacity at constant volume versus constant pressure in this context. Participants explore the implications of their assumptions and the conditions under which the derivation holds.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for thermal conductivity based on kinetic theory, involving number density, heat capacity, mean free path, and mean speed of molecules.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of using heat capacity at constant volume, suggesting a need to adhere to the original constraints of the calculation.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of maintaining the constant volume condition throughout the derivation, indicating that starting at constant volume necessitates finishing at constant volume.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of not including dependencies of volume on pressure and temperature in the derivation.
  • A participant reflects on the assumption of a steady state in the derivation, noting that fixing temperature implies that both pressure and volume must also be fixed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of using constant volume heat capacity, and there are competing views regarding the implications of the assumptions made in the derivation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions of steady state and the interdependence of volume, pressure, and temperature, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Using kinetic theory, we can derive an expression for the thermal conductivity of a gas to be
κ=nCmoleculeλ<v>/3
where n is the number density of the molecules in the gas, Cmolecule is the heat capacity of a single molcule (i.e the heat that must be given to each molecule to raise the temperature of the gas by unit temperature), λ is the mean free path and <v> is the mean speed of the molecules.

Now we can write nCmolecule=CV/V where CV is the heat capacity of the gas at constant volume and V is the total volume of the gas. Now I understand that nCmolecule=C/V where C is the heat capacity of the gas, and obviously because we have a gas we must have either C=CV or C=Cp because the gas must be held at either constant volume or constant pressure. However, I am not sure sure how to see why we have to consider the heat capacity at constant volume here - why can't it be constant pressure...

Thankyou for any answers in advance
 
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physiks said:
why we have to consider the heat capacity at constant volume here
physiks said:
n is the number density
Stick with the original constraints on the calculation.
 
Bystander said:
Stick with the original constraints on the calculation.

What does this mean?
 
You started your calculation at constant V. Finish at constant V.
 
Bystander said:
You started your calculation at constant V. Finish at constant V.

Ok, but I can't see why we started at constant V?
 
You haven't included any dependence of V on P, T.
 
Bystander said:
You haven't included any dependence of V on P, T.

Oh I see, so my derivation basically assumes the whole system is in a steady state (transport properties are for steady state systems), because I used a fixed temperature gradient. So then the pressure and volume must be fixed (if the pressure was fixed but volume varied, my temperature would change, so we need to fix volume and pressure).
 

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