Thermal radiation and charged particle acceleration

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The discussion revolves around the emission of thermal radiation from non-ionized neutral gases, specifically xenon, and the mechanisms behind this emission. Participants explore the relationship between charged particle acceleration, electron transitions, and the conditions under which a neutral gas might emit thermal radiation, particularly in the infrared and radio wave regimes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether thermal radiation from a non-ionized neutral gas like xenon is solely due to electron transitions, given that many sources attribute emission to charged particle acceleration.
  • Another participant suggests that a significant quantity of xenon gas would be needed for appreciable infrared emissivity and proposes that collisions might induce dipolar characteristics in the atoms, although they seek quantitative details on emissivity.
  • A different participant is looking for a model for a gas that emits in the radio wave regime and proposes that deformation of the electron cloud upon collision could lead to relaxation without changing electron orbitals, questioning the accuracy of this idea.
  • In response, a participant challenges the notion that electron cloud deformation would lead to radiation emission and suggests that hyperfine transitions should be considered for radio-wave emission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of thermal radiation emission from neutral gases, with no consensus reached on the validity of the proposed models or the conditions necessary for emission in specific frequency regimes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of quantitative information regarding emissivity in non-ionized gases and the need for further exploration of the mechanisms involved in radiation emission.

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A non ionized neutral gas should still emit thermal radiation.,say xenon. Is this solely because of electron transitions ? I ask this because a lot of sources attribute the emission to charge particle acceleration,so neutral atoms should not do this,is this right?
 
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Qualitatively, I think you could expect to require a tremendous quantity of Xenon gas before it had appreciable emissivity in the infrared. I can't supply any quantitative info, but I think your assessment is reasonably accurate. Perhaps in the process of a collision with other atoms, the atoms will be made somewhat dipolar. It would be interesting if anyone can supply some quantitative detail to the emissivity for thermal radiation in the non-ionized case.
 
I’m looking for a plausible model for a gas ,something that emits in the radio wave regime, As before all I could come up with for a warm mono atomic non ionized gas,was some sort or deformation of the electron cloud upon collision,with resultant relaxation. Some mechanism that doesn’t involve change of electron orbitals.just trying to see if this is accurate.
 
Getterdog said:
some sort or deformation of the electron cloud upon collision,with resultant relaxation
How don't see how this would lead to relaxation by emission of radiation.

If you want emission in the radio-wave part of the EM spectrum, you need to consider hyperfine transitions.
 

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