Thermal runaway in class AB amp biasing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the thermal characteristics of using a BJT as a diode compared to a regular diode in the context of class AB amplifier biasing. Participants explore the implications of thermal runaway and the benefits of integrated diodes in BJTs for thermal management.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the thermal characteristics of using a BJT as a diode versus a regular diode, particularly in relation to thermal lag and the specific BJTs made by On-Semi for class AB amplifiers.
  • Another participant requests a link to the On-Semi BJTs with sensing diodes and inquires about the presence of thermal runaway in class AB amplifiers, asking for a circuit diagram.
  • A third participant provides a link to the On-Semi documentation and expresses curiosity about the differences between using a BJT and a diode, noting they are still considering their circuit design.
  • One participant asserts that the advantage of the diode on the output transistor die is excellent thermal tracking, stating that both diodes and BJTs can be used for external compensation without issues.
  • This participant also mentions the similarity in current flow through the base bias chain and the output transistor's base-emitter connections, suggesting a need to check currents in that part of the circuit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints regarding the use of BJTs versus diodes for thermal compensation in class AB amplifiers, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of thermal runaway.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific circuit diagrams or detailed assumptions about their designs, leaving some aspects of the discussion open to interpretation and further exploration.

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and I have the question, if using a bjt as a diode what is the difference (thermal characteristics) from a regular diode, I ask this because on-semi makes bjt's with diodes in them specifically for class ab amps, is their any benefit besides less thermal lag?
 
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Can you give a link to the On-Semi BJTs with sensing diodes.
Diode Vpn is used to compensate for the BJT Vbe of the output stage.

Do you have thermal runaway in a class AB amp ?
If so, can you post a circuit diagram of the output stages.
 
The advantage of the diode on the output transistor die is the excellent thermal tracking. There is no problem using either a diode or a BJT for external compensation.
The magnitude of the current flowing through the base bias chain with the thermal compensating PN junctions is similar to the current through the output transistor base emitter connections. You need to check your currents in that part of your circuit.
 

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