Calculating voltage class ab power amp

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The discussion revolves around the challenges faced in building a compensated class B power amplifier, specifically focusing on issues related to crossover distortion, voltage calculations with a dual power supply, and the functionality of a potentiometer in the circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while the current mirror bias is intended to minimize crossover distortion, it does not eliminate it entirely, as the transition between the on and off states of the transistors can still contribute to distortion.
  • Another participant suggests treating the negative voltage rail as 0V and the positive rail as 18V to simplify voltage calculations, indicating that the idle output voltage would be at 9V.
  • There is confusion regarding the calculation of voltages and currents in the circuit, particularly with respect to the base voltage of Q1 and the role of the potentiometer in the voltage divider bias.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the functionality of the potentiometer, noting that adjustments did not affect the output signal on the oscilloscope, leading to questions about its purpose in the circuit.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential overheating of the PNP transistor, with suggestions that the biasing may be forcing it into full conduction.
  • Another participant provides a reminder about the relationship between collector current (Ic), emitter current (Ie), and base current (Ib), emphasizing the need to consider transistor parameters in calculations.
  • There is a suggestion that the potentiometer may be malfunctioning, as one participant reports that it did not behave as expected when tested.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the current mirror bias in eliminating crossover distortion and the proper approach to voltage calculations with a dual power supply. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact role and functionality of the potentiometer in the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of potentiometers and the implications of using a dual voltage supply, but do not resolve these uncertainties. There are also references to specific transistor characteristics that may affect calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and hobbyists working on amplifier design, particularly those encountering similar issues with biasing, distortion, and circuit analysis involving dual power supplies.

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Hello,

I am working on a lab for school and I am having a problem. I am attempting to build a compensated class b power amplifier.

I understand the common emitter configuration (to boost voltage) and the class b push pull amplifier stage (to boost current). I understand that diodes in the circuit are used as diode current mirror bias and they SHOULD eliminate crossover distortion... my first problem is that my output is still showing cross over distortion.

Knowing that the current mirror bias should have eliminated it, I went back into my circuit to check to see if I connected anything incorrectly (by checking voltages at various points in the circuit) and then I realized my second problem... Due to the -Vcc, I actually didn't know how to calculate values by hand (and therefore, did not know how to double check myself). I tried my textbook and some online sites, but they mostly reference ground and +VCC. Which I know how to calculate (finding the base current using a voltage divider formula, -0.7V for the FWD bias drop to emitter for VE, using the rest of the drop across Re and Ohms law to find Ie, then using Ie=Ic to find VC and VCE.). But, with a negative supply I am clueless. I know my total voltage (from +9 to -9) is 18V. I just don't know how to use that number correctly.

The circuit I am trying to build looks like the one found here, except my CE amplifier has a voltage divider bias
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My base of Q1 is voltage divider bias. The voltage divider consisting of a 68kOhm resistor connected +9V Vcc and the other portion of the voltage divider ("lower" section) consists of a potentiometer 5k Ohm and a 10k Ohm resistor, in series, connected to -9Vcc. I am not sure what the purpose of the 2W potentiometer here is supposed to do. I am not sure why we couldn't just use a 15 k Ohm (rather than a 5k potentiometer and 10k resistor in series), though I know that a potentiometer is used to regulate voltage.

How do I calculate the voltage at the base of Q1? The emitter of Q1 is connected to a 2.7kOhm resistor, which is then connected to -9V.

I am just not sure how to calculate any values due to the double voltage source. Do I use a superimposed DC technique and pretend one supply is not there, calculate all currents then do the same for the other? I hope there is an easier, less tedious way!

Thanks in advance for your help.
 
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First the circuit shown provides a bias to help minimize crossover distortion, but it does not eliminate it. Minimizing this distortion comes at a cost of leaving the "off" transistor in a conducting state at a current level set by the bias levels. At far swings the "off" transistor switches off to a further degree and this transition between the on and off state contributes to the distortion.
Don't let the negative voltage throw you. Think of the minus rail as 0 and the positive rail as 18v then the idle output voltage is at 9v (instead of 0, when you use +9 & -9). You logic as .7 BE conduction state value is correct to evaluate a quick sketch of the voltages. The pot is likely used to "center" your output to the rail midpoint. Remember that the voltage divider still has some current through the base that must be accounted in your analysis.
 
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Thanks Mjhilger. I really, really appreciate it.

So in this case, VBT3 would simply be 3.25V? Therefore my Ve would be 2.55V, Ie would be 945uA, Ic = Ie but this part I am a bit confused on...

So VBT1 would be 8.54V and VBT2 would be 7.145V? If so, I must have connected something wrong because my reading for VBT2 was close to zero and my PNP was burning up.

Lastly, I am not sure what you meant by "the potentiometer is likely used to center the output to the rail midpoint" Most likely because I don't understand how the potentiometer works. I did notice that even if I adjusted the adjustment knob on the potentiometer, it didn't change my output signal on my oscilloscope. So I was confused as to what the potentiometer even did in the circuit. So I pulled it out and put it on my ohmmeter. It was a 502 pot (5k, 2W) and it came in at 4.8k. No matter how I turned the knob it barely changed. On one extreme it went to 4.7k, on the other it was at 4.88k. I was under the impression that the potentiometer acted as a variable resistance able to range from 0 to 5k... which is clearly very wrong from what I learned. I never learned about potentiometers in class (aside a definition) and I never had to use one until now... so I am a bit confused.

Thanks so much for your help.
 
Sounds like your pot is broken.

What is the output swing? A large output swing will create a lot more distortion in that circuit than a small swing.
 
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Remember Ic is approximately Ie; Ie = Ib + Ic, Ib is Ie/Hfe or the Beta of the transistor (for a 2n2222 about 75 - 250- look it up).
A pot is a variable resistor from around 0 to the max of the value. See the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer
Your transistor is hot because the bias is forcing that one into full conduction while the other may be conducting in saturation. Heat is the dissipation of the current and voltage Pd = Ic * Vce. That pot needs to be connected correctly and adjusted to balance the quiescent point of your amp. You're close, I think you probably had the pot connected wrong. Look at the wiki and try again. Don't let the transistor get too hot and if it continues hot, turn off the supply and let it cool down. If you still have problems, get the lab instructor/monitor to help you.
 
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