Thermo physics. Dealing with adding dQ to a system with P held constant.

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The discussion revolves around thermodynamics, specifically the behavior of heat capacities of solids and liquids under constant pressure conditions. The original poster attempts to understand how to express the change in volume in terms of temperature change and the thermal expansion coefficient.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between temperature change, volume change, and the thermal expansion coefficient. There are attempts to manipulate equations to eliminate certain variables, and questions arise about the necessity of including volume in the expressions.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the equations presented, noting the importance of including system size in the calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express volume change without explicitly including volume itself, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of expressing physical properties in terms of intensive variables, and there is a mention of specific heat and related thermodynamic equations that may not have been fully defined in the initial problem context.

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"Measured heat capacities of solids and liquids are almost always at constant pressure, not constant volume. To see why, estimate the pressure needed to keep V fixed as T increases, as follows.
a)First imagine slightly increasing the temp of a material at constant pressure. Write the change in volume, dV1, in terms of dT and the thermal expansion coefficient Beta."
There's more to it, but I'll start with just this for now.



Beta=deltaV/(VdeltaT), PV=NkT,



It says to write in terms of dT and Beta, but I am having a hard time trying to get rid of V when I rearrange as dV1=Beta*V*dT. I am missing something here, I just need a push in the right direction.
 
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Your equation is correct; the question should have included V.
 
Thank you. But if it tells me to write v1 in terms of dt and Beta, then doesn't that mean I have to get rid of the V term?

Here's some more equations, I don't know if it will help.

Specific heat is C
Q is heat added or lost to the system
deltaU is the change in internal energy of the system
partialX is the partial derivative of a variable.
W is the work done on the system
Cp is C under conditions of constant pressure
C=Q/deltaT=(deltaU-deltaW)/deltaT
Cp=partialU/partialT+P(partialV/partialT)

Thanks again.
 
You've got to have the system size somewhere in the equation, as dT and \beta are both intensive properties.

Another option is to call dV the normalized change in volume, so it's just a number.
 

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