Thermodynamic potential question,help

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The discussion revolves around constructing expressions for thermodynamic potentials related to a rubber piece under hydrostatic pressure and tension. The user seeks assistance in deriving the expression for dU, suggesting that the standard formula should include an additional term for work done by the force F. They propose using the relation dU = TdS - (PdV + LdF) while also exploring the creation of new thermodynamic potentials with specific variables. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the underlying thermodynamic principles and encourages sticking to basic potentials like internal energy, Helmholtz, Gibbs, and enthalpy as foundational references. Clarification on the question's requirements and proper derivation methods is sought to enhance understanding.
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i have studied my lecture notes back to front and looked high and low for a clue how to do this question but i tried in a) constructing an expression for u and came up with DU= +TDS -PDV - FDL BAUT I COULD BE MILES OUT. could anyone help.

thanks

here it goes:


A piece of rubber of length L is subject to work by a hydrostatic pressure P and also
by a tensional force F.

a)Construct the expression for dU.
[Hint: the usual expression will have an extra term added to it corresponding
to the increment of work performed by F

b)Generate (i.e. invent new) thermodynamic potentials that have as proper vari-
ables (S; V; F); (S; P; F) and (T; P; F).
[Note: the potential R has (S; V; F) as proper variables if dR = xdS+ydV +zdF
where x; y; z are to be found.]
 
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you can't think of three thermo equations with variables (S; V; F); (S; P; F) and (T; P; F)?
 
for example could it be DR =TDS + PDV + LDF FOR (SVF), AND FOR (SPF) DN = TDS + VDP + LDF ? I am just not sure what question means that's all, can anyone help?
 
i suppose they want you to derive new (invent new?) potentials, but I would go ahead and use internal energy change and say
dU = dQ - dW
dQ = TdS
dW = PdV +ldf
now dU = TdS - (PdV + LdF)

stick to something basic and use the four potentials (internal, hemholtz, gibbs, and enthalpy) as a basis.
 
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