Thermodynamics: Calculate ideal enthelpy at turbine exit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the ideal enthalpy at the turbine exit in an ideal Rankine cycle, specifically focusing on the isentropic efficiency of the turbine and the interpolation of thermodynamic properties from steam tables.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants present the initial conditions of the Rankine cycle, including pressures, enthalpies, and entropies at different states.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how to find the isentropic enthalpy (h2s) using interpolation from the steam tables.
  • Another participant suggests that linear interpolation is a necessary skill and asks for clarification on the attempted method.
  • A later reply critiques the interpolation attempt, emphasizing the need to use values directly from the steam tables and to consider the quality of the steam at the turbine exit.
  • Participants discuss the importance of determining the quality of steam to calculate specific enthalpy accurately.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct method for interpolation, as participants express differing views on the approach and the necessary steps to find h2s. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the initial approach, including the need to reference steam tables for saturated values and the importance of calculating steam quality, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Ideal Rankine cycle includes irreversibilities in the adiabatic expansion and compression processes. Find the isentropic efficiency of the turbine.
***My book uses a subscript 2s to denote the ideal state

State 1: p1=60 bar h1=2784.3 kJ/kg x1=1 s1=5.8892 kJ/kg*K
State 2: p2=1.5 bar h2=2262.8 kJ/kg x2=0.8065 s2=6.1030 kJ/kg*K

So I know s1=s2s, but I need to find h2s
In my book they interpolate to find the h2s value. I tried to do that and it didn't work. The picture I'm attaching is the solution, but they don't show how the find h2s.

If someone could please show me how to find this value I would really appreciate it!

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jdawg said:

Homework Statement


Ideal Rankine cycle includes irreversibilities in the adiabatic expansion and compression processes. Find the isentropic efficiency of the turbine.
***My book uses a subscript 2s to denote the ideal state

State 1: p1=60 bar h1=2784.3 kJ/kg x1=1 s1=5.8892 kJ/kg*K
State 2: p2=1.5 bar h2=2262.8 kJ/kg x2=0.8065 s2=6.1030 kJ/kg*K

So I know s1=s2s, but I need to find h2s
In my book they interpolate to find the h2s value. I tried to do that and it didn't work. The picture I'm attaching is the solution, but they don't show how the find h2s.

If someone could please show me how to find this value I would really appreciate it!

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

Why don't you show us what you did that didn't work. Linear interpolation is a procedure which should be mastered for looking up data in tables.
 
I tried interpolating between the entropy and enthalpy values they gave me.
y=y1+(x-x1)[(y2-y1)/(x2-x1)]
h2s=2784.3+(5.8892-5.8892)[(2262.8-2784.3)/(6.1030-5.8892)]
Which is wrong :(
 
jdawg said:
I tried interpolating between the entropy and enthalpy values they gave me.
y=y1+(x-x1)[(y2-y1)/(x2-x1)]
h2s=2784.3+(5.8892-5.8892)[(2262.8-2784.3)/(6.1030-5.8892)]
Which is wrong :(
That's definitely not how to do a linear interpolation.

Your first mistake was not realizing that you can only interpolate against values given directly in the steam tables.

You know that the entropy at P = 1.5 bar is s = 5.8892 kJ/kg-K, which is the isentropic state line end point at the turbine exhaust.
If you check the steam tables for P = 1.5 bar = 0.15 MPa, you won't find a value of s = 5.8892 kJ/kg-K tabulated directly. Why not?
Because the steam at this condition is no longer superheated, it's saturated, and there's a certain percentage of moisture present which you must determine.

If there were 100% vapor at the isentropic exit condition, the steam would be said to have 100% vapor quality. You don't have this, but you must calculate the quality in order to calculate the specific enthalpy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor_quality

You need to look up the saturated values of entropy and enthalpy for the vapor and liquid phases at P = 0.15 MPa in order to finish the calculation.
 
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