Thermodynamics: Compressor Axial work

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a compressor, specifically focusing on calculating the axial work and force required for the compressor to operate. The context includes the application of the first law of thermodynamics in an open system, as well as considerations of mass flow rate and energy balances.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help on how to approach a thermodynamics problem involving a compressor, mentioning specific parameters such as temperature, pressure, and flow rate.
  • Another participant suggests using the first law of thermodynamics and emphasizes the need to determine the outlet pressure and mass flow rate.
  • A participant proposes a formula for energy balance, indicating that kinetic and dynamic energies are negligible, and questions whether their derived enthalpy difference represents the axial work.
  • There is a clarification that heat transfer (Q) is not zero and that the heat absorbed by the refrigerant should be considered in the energy balance.
  • One participant confirms the use of the ideal gas law to find density and subsequently the mass flow rate, while also questioning the role of the flow velocity in the calculations.
  • Another participant expresses concern about missing information necessary for a momentum balance, specifically regarding inlet velocity or cross-sectional area.
  • Two participants assert that no information has been omitted from the problem statement.
  • A suggestion is made to write out a momentum balance algebraically for the gas within the compressor as a control volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to apply the first law of thermodynamics and the ideal gas law, but there is disagreement regarding the sufficiency of the provided information for performing a momentum balance. Some participants feel that vital information is missing, while others assert that everything necessary is present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the problem statement, particularly concerning the inlet conditions and the cross-sectional area of the compressor, which may affect the ability to perform a complete momentum balance.

FreelandME
Messages
9
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


[/B]
Thermodynamics problem

Air enters a compressor at a temperature of 290 Kelvin and pressure 100 kPa with a stable volume flow of 2.5 m^3/s. The output temperature of the compressor is is 400 Kelvin and the velocity of the flow is 30 m/s. Air is implied to be an ideal gas under those conditions. The cooling of the compressed is done with a refrigant that absorbs heat from the air with a speed of 750 kJ / min. If the changes in kinetic and dynamic energies are negligible and the flow is permanent then find the axial force needed for the compressor to work .

Could someone help me with this problem? I'd really appreciate it , at least some help where i shoudl start from

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm having trouble where to start from , first thoughts where to find the state of air through the tables in the input and output of compressor , but beside that i haven't come to a better idea yet
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Let me guess. You're learning about the (open system) flow version of the first law of thermodynamics, correct? If so, please write down the relevant equation that applies to this situation. You are going to need to determine the outlet pressure. Based on the first sentence in the problem statement, what it the mass flow rate? If you want to find the axial force on the rotor, you are going to need to do a momentum balance also. How would you express that?

Chet
 
Q12 - W 12 = m [ h2 - h1 + (V22- V21)/2+ g (z2-z1)] (1)

and since

elD1wqJ.png


we have kinetic and dynamic energies neglible
Q12 = 0
E(mass in-mass out) = 0 aswell

so we take from 1

W12= h2 - h1

after working out a bit with it that's what i finished to , i find enthalpies from tables with linear intepollaration , but is this the axial work of compressor or I'm mistaken?
 
Last edited:
Q is not zero. So

Q - W = m(h2-h1)

Do you know how to determine the mass flow rate, given the information in the first sentence of the problem statement?

Chet
 
I'm pretty sure we use the ideal gas law to find the density and then with multiplication of density with the volume flow rate we find the mass flow rate, now some questions as Q we use the heat that the refrigant absorbs so Q=-750KJ/min , the W we finally get is the axial work I am looking for? Where should i use the velocity flow at that is given on the second sentence?
 
FreelandME said:
I'm pretty sure we use the ideal gas law to find the density and then with multiplication of density with the volume flow rate we find the mass flow rate, now some questions as Q we use the heat that the refrigant absorbs so Q=-750KJ/min , the W we finally get is the axial work I am looking for?
Yes.
Where should i use the velocity flow at that is given on the second sentence?
Well, you are also asked to find the force on the rotor. This is where the velocity of flow would come in. So, a momentum balance would be involved. But I've been having trouble with this because there seems to be a piece of vital information missing (according to my judgement). I feel that, to do the momentum balance, you need to know either the inlet velocity or the cross sectional area of the compressor. The information at the outlet end seems adequate, when combined with the mass flow rate at the inlet end. Has anything been left out in the problem statement regarding the inlet or the cross sectional area?

Chet
 
Nothing has been left out
 
FreelandME said:
Nothing has been left out
Well, anyway, please try writing out algebraically a momentum balance on the gas, taking the entire compressor as the control volume and letting F be the force that the rotor exerts horizontally on the gas.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 41 ·
2
Replies
41
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
7K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
6K