What is the Outlet Temperature of a Compressed Air Flow?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the outlet temperature of compressed air in a compressor system, given specific inlet conditions and parameters. Participants explore thermodynamic principles, the ideal gas law, and the use of thermodynamic tables to solve the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a homework statement involving the compression of air and seeks to find the output temperature using given data.
  • Another participant questions how to calculate the density of the incoming air and the mass flow rate through the compressor.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about using thermodynamic tables and the ideal gas law to find necessary properties like density.
  • One participant calculates the density of air at the inlet conditions to be approximately 1.28 kg/m³ and subsequently finds the mass flow rate to be 0.576 kg/s.
  • Another participant suggests that knowing the final density and pressure can help determine the final temperature.
  • A calculation is presented where a participant finds the outlet density to be 9.6 kg/m³ and estimates the outlet temperature to be around 367.78 K using the ideal gas law.
  • There is a discussion about using enthalpy values from thermodynamic tables to further solve the energy balance equation.
  • One participant clarifies that the initial question was solely about finding the outlet temperature, which has been calculated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to use the ideal gas law and thermodynamic tables, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the calculations or the necessity of further steps to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the ideal gas law for density calculations and the assumptions made regarding the properties of air at different states. The discussion does not resolve the accuracy of the calculations or the use of thermodynamic tables.

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Homework Statement


Air enters a compressor at 100kPa and 20 oC in steady flow rate . Air is compressed to 1 Mpa. The heat loss is 10% of the power of the compressor . Air enters with speed of 50m/s in a surface of 0,009 m2 and leaves with speed 120 m/s from a surface of 0,0005 m2.

Find the output temperature .

Homework Equations


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Q12 - W 12 = m [ h2 - h1 + (V2- V1)/2+ g (z2-z1)] (1)
m=pAV (mass flow rate)

The Attempt at a Solution


confused how i should use the data to find temperature (i'm pretty sure thermodynamic table of properties of air can be used )
 
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What is the density of the air coming in. What is the mass flow rate of the air through the compressor?

Chet
 
There is no information about either , the only thing we can use are thermodynamic tables but i really have no idea how to use them in the current problem
 
FreelandME said:
There is no information about either , the only thing we can use are thermodynamic tables but i really have no idea how to use them in the current problem
If you know that temperature and pressure of a gas, then the density of the gas is determined. At the inlet conditions, the ideal gas law should provide a very accurate estimate of the air density. If you are not happy with the accuracy of that, then you can use your thermodynamic tables. (You are aware that density is the reciprocal of specific volume, correct?) So, what is the density of the air at the inlet conditions.

Chet
 
So i find from the ideal gas law that the density of air is ~1.28 kg/m3 so with that i find the mass flow which is m=0.576 kg/s , but how can i find the temperature in outlet in order to find the h2 and finish the problem
 
FreelandME said:
So i find from the ideal gas law that the density of air is ~1.28 kg/m3 so with that i find the mass flow which is m=0.576 kg/s , but how can i find the temperature in outlet in order to find the h2 and finish the problem
The mass flow rate is constant, and you know the final volumetric flow rate, so you know the final density. If you know the final density and final pressure, you know the final temperature.

Chet
 
So the
m=pA2V2 => p=9.6 kg/m3
from ideal gas law
p=MP/RT
we get T2~367.78 K

is that correct or do i miss something ?
 
FreelandME said:
So the
m=pA2V2 => p=9.6 kg/m3
from ideal gas law
p=MP/RT
we get T2~367.78 K

is that correct or do i miss something ?
Yes, if you did the arithmetic correctly.

Chet
 
then i use the T2 and T1 to find enthalpies from ideal gas proprties of air table and solve
Q12 - W 12 = m [ h2 - h1 + (V2- V1)/2+ g (z2-z1)] (1)
where z2-z1=0
m=0.576 kg/s
Q=0.1 W
and h2-h1 the enthalpies from the table?

Is that correct right?
 
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I thought that all the problem asked for was the outlet temperature, which you already have.

Chet
 

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