Thermodynamics: Control Volume analysis using energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving control volume analysis in thermodynamics, specifically focusing on energy loss in steam flowing through a pipe. Participants explore the application of the energy equation and the conditions under which certain terms can be neglected.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the full energy equation and questions which terms can be eliminated, particularly regarding work and velocity.
  • Another participant suggests treating the problem as a steady state, indicating that mass flow rates in and out are equal, and proposes that potential energy and work terms can be neglected.
  • A third participant asks how to determine the velocity of the steam.
  • A later reply proposes that velocity can also be disregarded based on typical scenarios encountered in basic thermodynamics courses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steady state assumption and the potential to drop certain terms from the energy equation, but there is no consensus on the treatment of velocity, with differing opinions on its relevance.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific values and calculations involved, particularly in relation to velocity and the energy equation terms.

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Homework Statement



Steam flows through an uninsulated pipe at 0.5 kg/s, entering at 5 bar, 440 C and exiting at 3 bar, 320 C. How much energy is lost from the steam per hour?

Homework Equations



Which terms in the energy eqn can drop out? I'm having trouble with that.

Is there only one W?

The Attempt at a Solution



Starting w/ the full energy eqn:

de/dt = Q - W_ + (m_i)[u_i + (p_i)(v_i) + (v_i)^2 + g*z_i] - (m_e)[u_v + (p_e)(v_) + (v_e)^2 + g*z_e]


where Q = vol. flow rate
W = work rate
m = mass flow rate
subscript e = out
subscript i = in
v = velocity
u = specific internal energy
p = pressure

So z_i = z_e = 0

Q = mv = (0.5)(0.6548) = 0.3274?
 
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I would treat this as a steady state problem. Meaning your mass flow rate in is going to equal your mass flow rate out. and de/dt is zero.

Since we're not given any sorts of elevation, the potential energy will be drop out. No work is happening, so W will also drop out.

You will be left with
Q/m=hb-ha+(V^2/2)b-(V^2/2)a


h is of course equal to u+pv

a=in
b=out
m=mass flow rate
Q=energy rate
v=specific volume
h=enthalpy
V=velocity

I can't check any of your values because I don't have a thermo book with me.
 
ok that makes sense, but how do i find velocity?
 
You know what, based on the information given, I would let velocity drop out as well. In a basic thermo class most prevalent place you're going to see velocity -not- being negligible is in nozzle and diffuser problems, or where it is expressively given to you in the problem statement.
 

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