Thermodynamics/Cooling Problem ^_^

  • Thread starter Thread starter paque
  • Start date Start date
AI Thread Summary
A homeowner discovers that lowering the thermostat by 3 degrees Celsius reduces heat loss by 10% when the outside temperature is -5 degrees Celsius. The discussion centers on the application of a heat transfer equation provided by the teacher, which involves conductivity and temperature differences. The user attempts to derive the initial temperature of the home by equating constants from the heat transfer equations before and after the thermostat adjustment. Another participant suggests using a differential equation approach to model temperature over time, indicating that two constants can be solved with initial values. The conversation highlights the complexity of thermodynamic calculations and the need for clear initial conditions to derive accurate results.
paque
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
A homeowner finds that, if she turns down her thermostat by 3[degrees C] she can reduce the rate at which heat is lost to outside, by 10%. If the outside temperature is -5[degrees C], what are the Thermostat readings before and after the adjustment.

I'd just like verification that i haven't screwed up this problem totally...
[because I'm just sort of going along blindly, moving on when I touch something...]

My teacher gave me this equation:

d Q/ d t{ime} = (T{emp hot} - T{emp cold}) * A{surface area} * K(conductivity constant) / L{ength of conducted material}

dQ/dt = (T(h) - T(c)) * A * K / L

While i know this equation:
Q = mc/\T

However, i chose to use sole my teacher-given equation...
dQ/dt = (T(h) - T(c)) * A * K / L

and instead equated it to
/\Q//\t = (T(h) - T(c)) * A * K / L
(i used change in heat/time, I'm not so good with calculus :-p )

/\Q//\t = (T(h) - T(c)) * A * K / L
I decided that the orange terms would be kept constant.

Constant = (T(h) - T(c)) / (/\Q)

then i chose two thermostat readings to be equal to that constant

(Before thermostat change) Constant = (To - (-5) / (Q)

(After thermostat change) Constant = ((To - 3) - (-5) / (.9Q)

I then set the two equations equal to each other, via the constants, canceled out the Q on both sides, Solved for To,
and got

75[degrees C] for the beginning Temperature...

Any suggestions?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
*bump for attention*
 
Okay, since your teacher gave you the function, then I assume it is alright if I derive it again because it is out of your scope. The formula you have deals with conductivity and I don't know any conductive houses.

We know
\frac{dT}{dt}=kT_e-kT T_e = environment and k>0
Which can be written as
\frac{dT}{dt}+kT=kT_e
so, we can solve with an integrating factor
\mu (t) = e^{\Int k dt} = e^{kt+c}
Then we can multiply the original differential by the integrating factor, where the constant on the exponential will factor out
\mu (t)[ \frac{dT}{dt} + kT = kT_e]
Then simplify the left hand side, and we can integrate both sides so that
\int \frac{d}{dt}(\mu (t) T(t)) = \int kT_e* \mu (t) dt
Which will give, after plugging the value for u(t) back in and solving
e^{kt}T(t) = T_e e^{kt} + C
Finally, multiply both sides by e^-kt to get
T(t) = T_e + C e^{-kt}

That is your formula, which has two constants that can be solved for separately with two initial values. So T(t) is the temperature dependent on time, which relates to one of your givens (I'll let you try to figure which one out). Though there is one thing I am a little confused on. It could be that you are supposed to leave the answer in terms of variables or something, but without an initial temperature in the house I don't know how you are supposed to figure out the constant. You didn't leave anything out did you?
 
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...

Similar threads

Back
Top