Thermodynamics Steam Turbine Specific Entropy

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a steam turbine, focusing on the specific entropy and energy balance of the system. Participants explore the calculations required to analyze the turbine's performance under given conditions, including the inlet and exit states of the steam, heat loss, and the application of the first law of thermodynamics.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the problem statement, including the mass flow rate, inlet conditions, exit conditions, and heat loss.
  • Another participant emphasizes the forum rules regarding posting multiple problems in a single thread.
  • Several participants discuss the use of steam tables to find specific entropy values, with one suggesting the need to use superheated steam properties for the inlet state.
  • There is mention of the first law of thermodynamics and the simplification of terms related to kinetic and potential energy, leading to a focus on heat and work interactions.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations, particularly regarding the determination of specific entropy and enthalpy values.
  • Another participant confirms the use of the quality of the vapor and the exit pressure to find the specific entropy of the mixture, indicating a method to calculate the enthalpy as well.
  • One participant shares their calculated values for specific entropy and enthalpy, indicating progress in solving the problem.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correctness of the thermo properties calculated by the participant, encouraging them to continue with the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the problem using steam tables and the first law of thermodynamics. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the specific steps and calculations, particularly in determining the correct properties for the inlet and exit states.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding the state of the steam and the properties used from the steam tables. There are also unresolved questions about the application of the first law and the specific entropy calculations.

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Homework Statement


The mass flow rate through a steam turbine operating under steady conditions is 100 kg/s. Steam enters the turbine at 12 MPa and 400oC. A mixture of vapour and liquid water exits the turbine at 10 kPa. At the exit state 93% of the mass of the water is in vapour form. The turbine loses heat to the surroundings at the rate
of 3 MW. Kinetic and potential energy effects can be ignored.

a) Draw a schematic of the system and clearly indicate the system boundary
using a dashed line. Indicate and label the mass flow inlets and outlets. Using
arrows, illustrate the energy transfers between the system and surroundings
by heat transfer and by work.

b) Write a 1st law energy balance for the system that agrees with your schematic. Cancel all unnecessary terms, providing justification for why these terms can be cancelled.

c) Draw the process on a T-s diagram, clearly indicating the state points and the isobars corresponding to the state points.

d) Calculate the power generated by the turbine in MW.

e) Calculate the change in specific entropy from inlet to exit in kJ/KgK.

Homework Equations



Question 2

s1=sf + x[ sg - sf ]
Also since there is one inlet and one exit,
m=m1=m2

I am pretty sure this equation will be useful as well,
0= Q - W + m[ (h1 - h2) + ((v12 - v22)/2) + g(z1 + z2) ]

but since kinetic and potential energy is negligible I think I can cancel out ((v12 - v22)/2) + g(z1 + z2)]
That would leave me with,

0= Q - W + m[ (h1 - h2) ]

The Attempt at a Solution



For the second question I'm not really sure what to do, I think that what I would have to do is find sg from using 12 MPa, 400oC and looking at the steam table for water.
I'm not sure what I could do next because I would have 2 unknowns for the equation,
s1=sf + x[ sg - sf ]
 
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PF Rules generally ask that posters provide only one problem per thread. This policy is for the benefit of the users and the members since you are not mixing up answering different questions within a single thread.
 
ConnorM said:

Homework Statement



2) The mass flow rate through a steam turbine operating under steady conditions is 100 kg/s. Steam enters the turbine at 12 MPa and 400oC. A mixture of vapour and liquid water exits the turbine at 10 kPa. At the exit state 93% of the mass of the water is in vapour form. The turbine loses heat to the surroundings at the rate
of 3 MW. Kinetic and potential energy effects can be ignored.

a) Draw a schematic of the system and clearly indicate the system boundary
using a dashed line. Indicate and label the mass flow inlets and outlets. Using
arrows, illustrate the energy transfers between the system and surroundings
by heat transfer and by work.

b) Write a 1st law energy balance for the system that agrees with your schematic. Cancel all unnecessary terms, providing justification for why these terms can be cancelled.

c) Draw the process on a T-s diagram, clearly indicating the state points and the isobars corresponding to the state points.

d) Calculate the power generated by the turbine in MW.

e) Calculate the change in specific entropy from inlet to exit in kJ/KgK.

Homework Equations


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Question 2
For the second question I think this equation may be useful since we are given the quality,
s1=sf + x[ sg - sf ]
Also since there is one inlet and one exit,
m=m1=m2

I am pretty sure this equation will be useful as well,
0= Q - W + m[ (h1 - h2) + ((v12 - v22)/2) + g(z1 + z2) ]

but since kinetic and potential energy is negligible I think I can cancel out ((v12 - v22)/2) + g(z1 + z2)]
That would leave me with,

0= Q - W + m[ (h1 - h2) ]

The Attempt at a Solution



For the second question I'm not really sure what to do, I think that what I would have to do is find sg from using 12 MPa, 400oC and looking at the steam table for water.

Maybe not water. At the inlet, you generally use superheated steam for turbines.

I'm not sure what I could do next because I would have 2 unknowns for the equation,
s1=sf + x[ sg - sf ]

You are given the exit pressure (10 kPa) and the vapor quality of the mixture (93%). What you have to do is supply the saturated properties of the liquid and vapor phases from the steam tables at this exit pressure to determine the specific entropy of the mixture (and the enthalpy).
 
Ok sorry about that! I changed this so it is now only one of the questions. So I should use the pressure table for propane to find sg and sf? Then I would use those values to find the specific entropy once it exits?
Using,

s =sf + x[ sg - sf ]
 
Hey so I used 12 MPa and 400 C to get s1 on the superheated table for water, which was 6.0747 kJ/kgK. Then I used the pressure table for water and the values of entropy at 0.10 bar to get s2. I used the equation s=sf + x[ sg - sf ] and found that s2=7.625 kJ/kgK.

How is that so far?

edit: Just remembered to get the enthalpy's. For h1 I used the superheated table and got 3051.3 kJ/kg. Next I used my pressure table at 0.10 bar and found my hf and hg, from here I used,

h2 = xhg + (1-x)hf

and found h2 = 2417.1991 kJ/kg
 
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Hey I got it right! Thanks for the tip =)
 
ConnorM said:
Hey so I used 12 MPa and 400 C to get s1 on the superheated table for water, which was 6.0747 kJ/kgK. Then I used the pressure table for water and the values of entropy at 0.10 bar to get s2. I used the equation s=sf + x[ sg - sf ] and found that s2=7.625 kJ/kgK.

How is that so far?

edit: Just remembered to get the enthalpy's. For h1 I used the superheated table and got 3051.3 kJ/kg. Next I used my pressure table at 0.10 bar and found my hf and hg, from here I used,

h2 = xhg + (1-x)hf

and found h2 = 2417.1991 kJ/kg

The thermo properties look OK. Now you can finish the steam turbine problem.
 

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