Thin disc above grounded plane

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The problem involves a thin disk with a uniformly distributed charge positioned above a grounded conducting plane. The disk's radius and charge are specified, and the task is to compute the potential along the axis through the center of the disk.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the method of images to account for the grounded plane, considering how to adapt the point charge formula for a disk. There are questions about integrating to find the potential due to the disk and how to approach points not on the z-axis.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested using the method of images and integrating over the disk's surface to find the potential. Others have raised questions about the complexity of calculating the potential at points off the z-axis, indicating a productive exploration of different approaches.

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Participants note the challenge of integrating for a disk rather than a point charge and the implications of the grounded plane on the potential calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful consideration of geometry in the problem.

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Homework Statement



A thin disk of radius R consists of a uniformly distributed total charge Q. The disk lies a distance D above a grounded perfectly conducting plane. The disk and the plane are parallel. Set the conducting plane in the x-y axis, and the z axis through the center of the disk.
R=0.1 m, the distance D = 2R = 0.2 m, and the charge Q=1/(9E9) Coulomb

Compute the potential along the axis through the center of the charged disk

Homework Equations



If it was a single point charge:
V(x,y,z) = 1/4*∏*\epsilon * [ q/ \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z-d)^2} - q/ \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z+d)^2} ]

The Attempt at a Solution



I have a feeling I would solve this using the method of images with an imaginary disc of -q charge below the conducting plane. Would this be the same for the thin disc? With the given value turning it into this?

[ 1/ \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z-d)^2} - 1/ \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z+d)^2} ]

My second problem is to to calculate numerically the potential everywhere in space above the conducting plane. Could I get any hints as to how to do this?
 
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ducks said:
I have a feeling I would solve this using the method of images with an imaginary disc of -q charge below the conducting plane.
That does seem like the way to go. Just keep in mind that the charge is a disc, not a point, so you can't just use the point charge formula unaltered. You'll have to do an integral.
 
I would run a Gaussian surface, a right circular cylinder, with one flat surface located within the disk (and parallel to it) to a plane a distance r between the disk and the ground plane, compute E(r), integrate E(r) from the disk to the ground plane, with the constant of integration such that V(D-r) = 0.

You can also do it by the image method, you'd get the same result. Since you would not extend the Gaussian variable surface beyond r = D there would be no difference in the equations.
 
I figured out the z axis part since it forms a right triangle. I can't wrap my head around how I would measure the potential at a point not on the z axis.
 
I didn't see that part of the problem. That's a lot more difficult all right.

I would go with V(r) = k∫σ*dA/r integrated over disk surface A
r = distance from element of charge σ*dA
k = 9e9 SI
σ = surface charge density = constant thruout disk = Q/πR^2
A = disk area

But you've probably figured that far already.
r = distance from point (x0, y0) on disk defined by surface (x^2 + y^2 = R^2, D)
to arbitrary poit (x,y,z).

Just a math problem ... :-)
 
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