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This thread discusses various questions and derivations related to Jackson's Classical Electrodynamics, specifically focusing on the Taylor expansion involving the Laplacian and the treatment of charge distributions. The scope includes theoretical derivations, mathematical reasoning, and clarifications of concepts presented in the textbook.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to derive the Taylor expansion with the Laplacian from the multivariable Taylor expansion, specifically why there is no first-order derivative term.
  • Another participant explains that the linear term vanishes due to the antisymmetry of the integrand over a symmetric domain when integrated.
  • A participant provides a detailed calculation involving the volume integral and the expansion of the charge distribution, noting the contributions from different orders of derivatives.
  • There is a discussion about the symmetry arguments related to the traceless part of the Hessian matrix and how they affect the integrals.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the integration limits and the normal vector when applying Green's theorem to the integral of the Laplacian of \(1/r\).
  • Another participant clarifies that the integral over any volume containing the origin is equivalent to the integral over any sphere centered at the origin, leading to a specific result for the surface integral.
  • There are corrections and refinements to earlier claims regarding the treatment of terms in the Taylor expansion and the behavior of integrals as certain parameters approach zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of certain terms in the Taylor expansion and the implications of symmetry in integrals. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise handling of these mathematical details.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the calculations involve assumptions about the symmetry of the charge distribution and the behavior of integrals as parameters approach specific limits. There are also references to shorthand notation used in Jackson's text that may contribute to confusion.

  • #31
I am reading now the solution of problem 3.19 from Jackson (if you know of another more complete solution let me know);

here:
http://homerreid.dyndns.org/physics/jackson/jack3c.pdf

And it seems he's stuck at calculating the integral ##\int_0^\infty \frac{\sinh(kz_0)}{\sinh(kL)}kdk##, can you help both of us?

Thanks in advance!
Cheers!
 
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  • #32
I read someone's remark on solving Jackson's problems:
"Getting any single Jackson problem completely correct could be a life’s work!"

LOL! wish I had the time to solve completely correctly the 350 problems in the third edition, but I have exams... :-D
 
  • #33
Mathematica gives as a result (of course only valid for ##L>z_0##)
$$\frac{1}{4L^2} \left [\psi'\left (\frac{L-z_0}{2L} \right )-\psi' \left(\frac{L+z_0}{2L} \right ) \right ],$$
where
$$\psi(z)=\frac{\Gamma'(z)}{\Gamma(z)}$$
is the socalled "digamma" function.
 
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  • #34
vanhees71 said:
Mathematica gives as a result (of course only valid for ##L>z_0##)
$$\frac{1}{4L^2} \left [\psi'\left (\frac{L-z_0}{2L} \right )-\psi' \left(\frac{L+z_0}{2L} \right ) \right ],$$
where
$$\psi(z)=\frac{\Gamma'(z)}{\Gamma(z)}$$
is the socalled "digamma" function.
Does this expression simplifies to the expression in problem 3.19 in Jackson's? i.e with the ##\sec^2##?
 
  • #36
I have a question regarding problem 5.5 from Jackson's third edition.

Do I actually need to post it (I mean I assume that you have a legal or illegal copy of the book).

I've found a solution to problem 5.5 from here:
http://pages.uoregon.edu/gbarello/Resources/Papers/Homework/Electrodynamics/HW4.pdf
on page 8 the solution to assignment 5.5b, the last solution has the wrong coefficients, so I wonder where did he go wrong there?

Thanks, jesus and out... :-)
 
  • #37
Does someone know if some of the problems in Jackson's third edition can be found in reference books?

There are some problems about superconducting material which I thought may be found in Tinkham's reference.
 
  • #43
vanhees71 said:
Admittedly the calculation is a bit confusing, because of the shorthand notation used by Jackson. Calculated is the volume integral

For ##n \geq 2## I cannot verify generally Jackson's result, but all you need is to show that the integral is 0 for ##a \rightarrow 0##. Now introduce again spherical coordinates, and you see that all these integrals are proportional to
$$3 a^2 \int_0^R \mathrm{d} r \frac{r^{n+2}}{(r^2+a^2)^{5/2}}=3a^2 I_n.$$
[corrected in view of the hint in #7]
For ##n=2## we get
$$I_2=\int_0^R \mathrm{d} r \frac{r^{4}}{(r^2+a^2)^{5/2}}=\mathrm{arsinh} \left ( \frac{R}{a} \right )-\frac{4R^3+3ra^3}{4(R^2+a^2)^{3/2}}.$$
Obviously one has
$$\lim_{a \rightarrow 0} a^2 I_2=0.$$
I'm not very good in curvilinear coordinates, let me try to expand it in cartesian coordinates instead. I'm not sure whether the reasoning is correct though (note that odd components of ##\mathbf{h} = |\mathbf{x^{'}} - \mathbf{x}|## cancel)...
\begin{align*}
\rho(\mathbf{x}^{'}) & =\rho(\mathbf{x}) + \frac{1}{1!}\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial \mathbf{h}} +\frac{1}{2!}\frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial \mathbf{h}^2} + \cdots\\
&=\rho(\mathbf{x}) + (\mathbf{x^{'}} - \mathbf{x})\cdot\nabla \rho + (\sum_{i} (x^{'}_{i} - x_{i} \frac{\partial}{\partial e_{i}}))(\sum_{i} (x^{'}_{i} - x_{i} \frac{\partial}{\partial e_{i}}))\rho + \cdots\\
&=\rho(\mathbf{x}) + \frac{1}{2} ( (x^{'} -x)^2 \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial x^2} + (y^{'} -y)^2 \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial y ^2}+ (z^{'} - z)^2 \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial z^2})+ \cdots\\
&=\rho(\mathbf{x}) + \frac{|\mathbf{x^{'}} - \mathbf{x}|^2}{6} ( \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial x^2} + \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial y ^2} + \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial z^2})+ \cdots\\
&=\rho(\mathbf{x}) + \frac{r^2}{6}\nabla^2 \rho + \mathcal{O}(r^3)
\end{align*}
Since ##\rho## does not vary much in the volume of interest we may assume the function is spherically symmetric, we see that $$ (x^{'} -x)^2 \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial x^2} \approx (y^{'} -y)^2 \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial x^2}$$

and $$ 3 (x^{'} -x)^2 \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial x^2} \approx |\mathbf{x^{'}} - \mathbf{x}|^2 \frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial x^2}$$

Right?...
 
  • #44
By the way, judging by how seasoned the advice Jackson gives, how comprehensive the treatment is and the copious amounts of references given, I wonder, did Jackson actually read through all the books he cite? (or at least read a few chapter)
 

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