Three level Feynman diagramas lagrangian density

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The discussion revolves around drawing three-level Feynman diagrams corresponding to a specific Lagrangian density for the process F + \bar{F} → F + \bar{F}. Participants explore the implications of various interaction terms in the Lagrangian, particularly focusing on the contributions from the φ³ and φ⁴ terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to draw all three-level Feynman diagrams for the given Lagrangian density, questioning the presence of u-channel diagrams for the φ³ interaction.
  • Another participant clarifies that the φ field is a real scalar field, suggesting that the F particle is its own antiparticle, which may imply a different interpretation of the process.
  • There is a discussion about the number of diagrams produced by the φ³ and φ⁴ interactions, with one participant asserting that φ³ produces three diagrams while φ⁴ produces only one.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the existence of a u-channel diagram for the φ³ case, with one asserting its presence and another questioning it.
  • Questions arise regarding the relevance of the interaction term involving the Dirac spinor ψ for the process being considered, with a suggestion that it may only be relevant for loop diagrams.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the existence of u-channel diagrams for the φ³ interaction. There is no consensus on the implications of the Dirac spinor term for the process under consideration.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the presence of certain diagrams and the conditions under which different interaction terms contribute to the process. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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Individuals interested in particle physics, specifically those studying Feynman diagrams and Lagrangian densities in the context of quantum field theory.

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Hi,
I am trying to figure out how to draw all the three level Feynman diagrams corresponding to this lagrangian density L = \frac{1}{2} \partial _{\mu} \phi \partial^{\mu} \phi - \frac{\mu^2}{2}\phi^2- \frac{\eta}{3!}\phi^3-\frac{\lambda}{4!} \phi^4+i \bar{\psi} \gamma _{\mu} \partial^{\mu} \psi \phi -m \bar{\psi} \psi+ig \bar{\psi} \gamma^{5} \psi \phi
for this process F+ \bar{F} → F+ \bar{F}
and φ is the field associated to this particle F.

So i was thinking on drawing the 3 Feynman diagram (i.e. u, s,t channels ) for every interaction term . I mean

for the interaction \phi^3 three Feynman diagrams, whose vertex are proportional to
\eta^2
for \phi^4 another three , is that right ?

the problem is that I think that we don't have u channel in the \phi^3 case, but I am not sure why . So if someone could enlighten me about this as well, you will make another fellow human interested in particle physics very happy today.
and another question, \psi is the dirac spinor for another particle X which is not F, would i need to take into account the last term of the above Lagrangian which is interaction term between the particles F and the others , if I am considering only the above process F+ \bar{F} → F+ \bar{F} or not?

Any help with any question/ or any remark would be highly appreciated

thanks !
 
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this is not coursework questions nor homework per se, so I hope this is the right place to post this. In case I am wrong , my sincerest apologies
 
pstq said:
I am trying to figure out how to draw all the three level Feynman diagrams

I guess you mean *tree* level?

pstq said:
for this process F+ \bar{F} → F+ \bar{F}

From your Lagrangian, it looks like ##\phi## is a real scalar field. So the F particle is its own antiparticle. So I guess you are considering ##F + F \to F + F##?

pstq said:
So i was thinking on drawing the 3 Feynman diagram (i.e. u, s,t channels ) for every interaction term . I mean

for the interaction \phi^3 three Feynman diagrams, whose vertex are proportional to
\eta^2
for \phi^4 another three , is that right ?

The ##\phi^3## interaction produces three tree-level diagrams, corresponding to the u, s, and t channels. However the ##\phi^4## interaction produces only one tree-level diagram for the process you are interested in.

pstq said:
the problem is that I think that we don't have u channel in the \phi^3 case, but I am not sure why .

There is definitely a u channel diagram.

pstq said:
and another question, \psi is the dirac spinor for another particle X which is not F, would i need to take into account the last term of the above Lagrangian which is interaction term between the particles F and the others , if I am considering only the above process F+ \bar{F} → F+ \bar{F} or not?

The X particle will only matter if you consider loop diagrams. Since there are no X's in the initial and final states, they can only appear in loops.
 
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It's better to ask yourself why don't you see a u-channel for \phi? (however you saw a t-channel)

For \phi^4 you will only get the diagram that looks like this: X
for 4 external legs...

For the last term, #2 post is totally right...
 
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thanks a lot :):):)
 

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