Time Delay Relay: What is a D-O-D Timer & Glow Plug Timer?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of Delay-On-Dropout-Timer (D-O-D) relays and their application in glow plug timers. Participants explore the functionality of these timers, their terminology, and practical considerations for use in automotive contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the operation of a Delay-On-Dropout-Timer relay, suggesting that it maintains its contacts in a shifted position for a predetermined time after power is removed.
  • Others mention that this type of timer is used in specific control or protection circuits, highlighting the inherent delay in returning to a non-energized state.
  • A participant inquires about a relay that remains on for a set period after power is applied, indicating a need for clarification on timer types.
  • Terminology such as Time Delay Energize (TDE) and Time Delay De-energize (TDD) is introduced, with a historical reference to mechanical timers.
  • One participant suggests that TDD may be the appropriate type for the original inquiry regarding glow plug timers.
  • Another participant recommends the Omron H3CR-A timer for its versatility, while cautioning about the current requirements of glow plugs and the potential need for a high-current relay.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of specific brands, with some arguing that industrial timers are generally standardized and that simpler solutions, like a momentary push-button, may suffice.
  • There is a suggestion that a warm engine may not require glow plugs to be activated for as long as a cold engine, indicating variability in operational needs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and complexity of timers for glow plugs, with some advocating for simpler solutions while others support the use of specific timer models. No consensus is reached regarding the best approach or the necessity of specific brands.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various timer models and their specifications, but there is no resolution on the optimal choice for glow plug applications. The discussion includes assumptions about current ratings and operational conditions that may not be universally applicable.

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What is a Delay-On-Dropout-Timer relay. Is this what can be used for a glow plug timer?
 
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From the sound of the description I would assume that when you energize the coil the contacts shift immediately. When you remove power from the coil the contacts don't shift until a predetermined time has elapsed.
 
It is an especial time relay which applied in special control or protection circuit. we usually aspect the relay dead situation when we deenergize its bobbin( or active part) immediately, but timer with drop off time delay have an inherent delay for reverse to dead condition( NO/NC contacts) after deenergizing.

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Is there a terminology for a relay that will be on for a set period of time when the power turns on and then shuts off until the power is turned off and back on?
 
TDE = Time delay energize
TDD = Time delay de-energize

These terms harken back to the days of mechanical oil-flow electrical timers.

Modern timer relays are electronic & universal function. Omron is a major brand.
http://www.ia.omron.com/product/13.html

M
 
So TDD would be what I am looking for?
 
Are you looking for something like this?

http://www.macromatic.com/products/products.php?series=TR-606"
 
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An Omron H3CR-A can operate in any mode you might need. It's all in the data sheet. Make sure the timer you select will operate at the voltage of your system.
http://www.ia.omron.com/data_pdf/data_sheet/h3cr-a_ds_csm85.pdf"

You need to be careful, as a diesel engine's glow-plugs can pull pretty heft current (30A), much more than a timing relay's contacts are rated for. If so, then you need to have a slave high-current relay as well.

Or, just use a momentary push-button rated for the current required. Let the analog computer inside the ol' noggin do the timing. This is typical for glow-plugs. Available at your local auto-parts store.
 
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Thornton why do I get the feeling you are connected with the company Omron? To the OP, industrial timers are pretty standardized. No need to go with a specific brand.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
Thornton why do I get the feeling you are connected with the company Omron? To the OP, industrial timers are pretty standardized. No need to go with a specific brand.

No company connection
This brand is what we typically use at my work because they do the job, and available from my local electrical supplier. I was just trying to point out that modern timer relays are often universal function, using the linked item as an example.
My recommendation of using a simple push-button (for glow-plugs) is illustration of adherence to the KISS principal... no timer required at all.
M
 
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MThornton said:
My recommendation of using a simple push-button (for glow-plugs) is illustration of adherence to the KISS principal... no timer required at all.
M

This would be my recomendation as well. A warm engine does not need glow plugs on as long as a cold one, that is if they need to be on at all.
 

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