Time-dependent mass and the Lagrangian

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The discussion centers on the formulation of the Lagrangian for a particle with time-dependent mass, expressed as ##L = \frac{1}{2} m(t) \dot{\vec{r}}^2 - U(r)##. It is established that the first method of expressing kinetic energy is valid when mass changes do not introduce additional forces, such as in cases of mass ejection in opposite directions. Conversely, the second method is deemed invalid for variable mass systems, as it does not account for the complexities of external forces acting on the system. The distinction is crucial for accurately applying Lagrangian mechanics in scenarios involving variable mass.

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I was talking to a friend about Lagrangian mechanics and this question came out. Suppose a particle under a potential ##U(r)## and whose mass is ##m=m(t)##. So the question is: the Lagrangian of the particle can be expressed by

##L = \frac{1}{2} m(t) \dot{\vec{r}} ^2 -U(r)##

or I need to re-write the kinetic energy? Maybe this way

## \displaystyle T = \int \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{r} = \int \frac{d\vec{p}}{dt} \cdot \vec{v} \: dt = \int \vec{v} \cdot d\vec{p} = \int \vec{v} \cdot (\vec{v} \: dm + m \: d \vec{v}) = \int v^2 \: dm + \int m \: \vec{v} \cdot d \vec{v} ##
 
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It's as in your first equation. If ##r## is a single 1d coordinate, the equation of motion will be

##0 = \frac{\partial L}{\partial r} - \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{r}}\right)##
## = -\frac{\partial U}{\partial r} - \frac{d}{dt}( m(t)\dot{r})##
## = -\frac{\partial U}{\partial r} - m(t)\ddot{r} - \dot{m}(t)\dot{r}##
 
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I was talking to a friend about Lagrangian mechanics and this question came out. Suppose a particle under a potential ##U(r)## and whose mass is ##m=m(t)##. So the question is: the Lagrangian of the particle can be expressed by

##L = \frac{1}{2} m(t) \dot{\vec{r}} ^2 -U(r)##

or I need to re-write the kinetic energy? Maybe this way

## \displaystyle T = \int \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{r} = \int \frac{d\vec{p}}{dt} \cdot \vec{v} \: dt = \int \vec{v} \cdot d\vec{p} = \int \vec{v} \cdot (\vec{v} \: dm + m \: d \vec{v}) = \int v^2 \: dm + \int m \: \vec{v} \cdot d \vec{v} ##
The first method is appropriate when the process that changes the mass does not result in additional force on the remaining body. For example, when the body ejects mass in two opposite directions with the same rate. It is not valid for a rocket in flight, because mass is thrown away in a preferred direction and as a result, there is a strong force acting on the rocket. The second method is not a valid derivation, since for variable mass systems, external force does not in general equal d(mv)/dt.
 
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