Time dilation and length contraction problem

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The problem involves concepts of time dilation and length contraction in the context of special relativity. It describes a scenario where Anna is on a moving flatcar, and the timing of an event (the flashbulb going off) is perceived differently by her and Bob, who is stationary relative to her motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding the application of time dilation and how it affects the timing of events as perceived by different observers. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between time intervals in different frames of reference and the use of relevant equations, such as the Lorentz factor.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem and questioning the appropriateness of the formulas used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of time dilation and the need for additional equations to relate time and position in different frames.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the initial conditions, such as Anna passing Bob at t = 0, and the implications this has for the calculations. There is also mention of potential confusion between coordinate transformations and interval transformations in the context of special relativity.

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Homework Statement


Anna is on a railroad flatcar moving at 0.6c relative to Bob. Her arm is outstretched in the dirction the flatcar moves, and in her hand is a flashbulb. According to her wristwatch, the bulb goes off at 100 ns. This even according to Bob differs by 27 ns.
a) is it earlier or later than 100 ns?
b) how long is Anna's arm?


Homework Equations



lambdav = 1 / sqrt[(1-v2) / c2]


The Attempt at a Solution


a) I'm a little bit confused by time dilation. I think that since Anna is moving according to Bob's frame of reference, he sees a longer time interval for her. Therfore, his watch would read later than 100 ns. I think?


b)lambdav = 1 / sqrt[(1-v2) / c2]
= sqrt(1-0.62)

=1.25

I'm confused about where to go from here. I need the length of Anna's arm. I know that this is the length from her hand to her center of mass. So if she is moving at 0.6c relative to Bob, and he sees the light go off at 127 ns,
d = vt
= 0.6c(127)
=76.2 cm

L0 = L x lambdav
= 76.2 x 1.25
= 95.25 cm

So I found the length of her arm to be 95 cm. However, I have a feeling this isn't correct. I'm not sure I used the right formula...
 
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squishy-fish said:

Homework Statement


Anna is on a railroad flatcar moving at 0.6c relative to Bob. Her arm is outstretched in the dirction the flatcar moves, and in her hand is a flashbulb. According to her wristwatch, the bulb goes off at 100 ns. This event according to Bob differs by 27 ns.

OK, this is slightly unclear at the moment but I think the intention is that Anna ('s body) passes Bob at t = 0. This will become important!

Homework Equations



lambdav = 1 / sqrt[(1-v2) / c2]

OK, not a bad start (although I'd call this quantity \gamma). Any other equations that might be relevant?

The Attempt at a Solution


a) I'm a little bit confused by time dilation. I think that since Anna is moving according to Bob's frame of reference, he sees a longer time interval for her. Therfore, his watch would read later than 100 ns. I think?

Yep, that's right.

b)lambdav = 1 / sqrt[(1-v2) / c2]
= sqrt(1-0.62)

=1.25

So far so good.

I'm confused about where to go from here. I need the length of Anna's arm. I know that this is the length from her hand to her center of mass. So if she is moving at 0.6c relative to Bob, and he sees the light go off at 127 ns,
d = vt
= 0.6c(127)
=76.2 cm

Not quite. 0.6c is Anna's velocity; 127 ns is the time interval in Bob's reference frame between her passing him and the flash going off. So you can't multiply these numbers together directly like this. Hence why I asked whether you knew any further equations that might be useful. Later on in your post you used the (correct) formula L' = L\gamma for the transformation of a length interval; do you know similar formulas for transforming a position or time coordinate?
 
Okay. So does that mean that I should use the formula t = gammav x t0 ?

Then I could plug in 100 x 10-6 for t0 since this is how long it took in anna's frame of reference?
This gives me 1.25 x 10-5 as my t. and then can I use this t instead to find length?
But I still get a very similar answer when I do this.
 
squishy-fish said:
Okay. So does that mean that I should use the formula t = gammav x t0 ?

This is also for a time interval. Do you understand what I mean by the difference between a coordinate and an interval? And do you recognise the formula, say,

t' = \gamma\left(t - \dfrac{vx}{c^2}\right) ?
 

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