Time & Gravity: GR in Physics Today?

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Contemporary physics does not equate time and gravity, but recognizes their interrelation as outlined in General Relativity (GR). GR posits that gravity arises from the curvature of spacetime caused by mass-energy, while time flows uniformly, affected by gravitational fields. The discussion highlights the complexity of differentiating between time and gravity, suggesting that gravity's effects can be derived from time's behavior in a gravitational field. It emphasizes that while time dilation occurs due to gravity, time itself is not a product of mass. The conversation ultimately reflects on the philosophical implications of these concepts and the challenges in popularizing GR's principles.
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Go to http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/ and search the arXiv on "embedding Schwarzschild". There are many papers exploring this kind of pedagogy. I have to say however that in my experience, many posters will be too impatient to acquire correct intuition for E^{1,2} embeddings and thus are likely to misunderstand the gorgeous pics in many of these papers. My advice to newbies to start with Geroch still stands.
 
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  • #33
This is great stuff. Thanks guys. Plenty to chew on here for a while.

"And be careful, you did not correctly compute the linearized Schwarzschild line element correctly and your claim that "it only has time curvature" is incorrect; see MTW."

I will check that in MTW. I somehow recall reading where only g00 was significant in weak fields and with non-relativistic mass/speeds. And 2M/rc^2 seems pretty close to zero I would have thought - that's why I was quite confident it was correct. But thanks for pointing that out - I will double check it.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/9806/9806123v3.pdf

This is great - I've listened to Donald Marolf speaking (online videos) - he really is a great teacher too!
 
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  • #34
Weak-field versus non-relativistic motion

jimbobjames said:
"And be careful, you did not correctly compute the linearized Schwarzschild line element correctly and your claim that "it only has time curvature" is incorrect; see MTW."

I will check that in MTW. I somehow recall reading where only g00 was significant in weak fields and with non-relativistic mass/speeds.

In "the weak-field approximation", you treat the source as first order in some parameter. In particular, you can expand the line element for the Schwarzschild vacuum in a Taylor series about m=0, and then drop all terms O(m^2) and higher. But as you know, \frac{1}{1-x} = 1+ x + O(x^2). Indeed, if you write out
ds^2 = -(1-2 \, \phi) \, dt^2 + (1+2 \, \phi) \; <br /> \left( dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 \right)
where \phi is a smooth function of x,y,z only, and expand the Einstein tensor to first order in |\phi|, this vanishes provided that the Laplacian of \phi vanishes, so this is a weak-field static vacuum solution, as Einstein himelf pointed out. The point is of course that weak-field gravitostatics in gtr is in this sense formally equivalent to "the Newton-Laplace field theory of gravitation" (an anachronism, but you probably know what I mean).

But don't confuse weak-field solutions with two important but more stringent approximations: slowly time varying weak-field approximate solutions (i.e., a certain class of Lorentzian spacetimes) and the theory of nonrelativistic test particle motion in such spacetimes.
 
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  • #35
JimBob,
You seem to be fast at this - any tricks or just lots of practice?
Lots of practice, and some software.

Am I correct in saying that the coordinate just gets a minus sign in front as soon as you say that's the time coordinate?
Space and time parts of the metric have opposite sign so we preserve the hyperbolic Reimann features of SR(?). The convention you choose is called the signature.

I'll leave you to it - I can recommend anything by John Baez.
 
  • #36
Thanks Chris -

In units where c and G are not 1, we have:

ds^2 = -c^2(1-2GM/rc^2) \, dt^2 + \frac{dr^2}{1-2GM/rc^2}

And expanding like you suggested we get:

-c^2(1-2GM/rc^2) \, dt^2 + (1+2GM/rc^2) \, dr^2

which seems to me to be flat Minkowski space plus a delta. The delta is

ds^2 = (2GM/r) \, dt^2 + (2GM/rc^2) \, dr^2

The c^2 below the line in the in the second term led me to believe that the spatial curvature was weaker than the time curvature by a factor of c^2. That was my mistake (I think?).

Mentz, that's a coincidence - I ordered a book by him last week - "Gauge Fields, Knots, and Gravity". Sounds like it was a good choice. Any open source software you can recommend?
 
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  • #37
Chris, I've been thinking about what you wrote but I'm still not clear on it.

Are you saying that just because (in the weak field approximation) g00 provides the parallel to Newtonian Gravity, that does NOT mean that g11 is insignificant? But that would mean that, even in the weak field about the earth, there are significant effects (ie everyday noticable effects like "falling") related to the spacial curvature. I'm confused about this. I thought that what we know and love as "gravity" here on earth, was almost entirely related to the time curvature in the Schwarzschild metric only. The curvature related to the dr^2 coefficient is relatively insignificant. Am I wrong with this?

(But thanks for pointing out the danger of confusing the weak field and other more stringent approximations.)
 
  • #38
Computing stuff to order O(m)

jimbobjames said:
And expanding like you suggested we get:
-c^2(1-2GM/rc^2) \, dt^2 + (1+2GM/rc^2) \, dr^2
which seems to me to be flat Minkowski space plus a delta.

To find out, compute the curvature, up to first order in the parameter M. And for gosh sake do set G=c=1; I can see you're getting confused in part by worrying about them and making a minor error.

Let's try a Riemannian analogue. Consider the coframe field
<br /> \sigma^1 = \sqrt{1+m \, f} \, dx, \; \;<br /> \sigma^2 = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+m\, g}} \, dy<br />
where f,g are functions of x,y. The metric is
\sigma^1 \otimes \sigma^1 + \sigma^2 \otimes \sigma^2 <br /> = (1 + m \, f) \, dx^2 + \frac{dy^2}{1 + m \, g}<br />
We compute the curvature a la Cartan, keeping only terms which are first order in the parameter m. So
<br /> \sigma^1 = \left( 1+ m \, f/2 \right) \, \dx, \; \;<br /> \sigma^2 = \left (1- m\, g/2 \right) \, dy<br />
Taking the exterior derivative of the cobasis one-forms, we find
<br /> d \sigma^1 = \frac{m \, f_y \, dy \wedge dx}{2} <br /> = \frac{-m \, f_y}{2} \, dx \wedge dy<br /> = \frac{-m \, f_y}{2} \, dx \wedge \sigma^2<br />
(remember, we are only keeping terms first order in m), and likewise
<br /> d \sigma^2 = \frac{-m g_x}{2} \, dy \wedge \sigma^1<br />
where subscripts denote partial differentiation. Comparing with
<br /> d\sigma^1 = -{\omega^1}_2 \wedge \sigma^2, \; \;<br /> d\sigma^2 = -{\omega^2}_1 \wedge \sigma^1<br />
we find
{\sigma^1}_2 = m \, \frac{f_y \, dx + g_x \, dy}{2}
Taking the exterior derivative of this, we find the curvature two-form
<br /> {\Omega^1}_2 = m \, \frac{g_{xx}-f_{yy}}{2} \, dx \wedge dy<br /> = m \, \frac{g_{xx}-f_{yy}}{2} \, \sigma^1 \wedge \sigma^2<br />
(remember, we are only keeping terms linear in m!), from which we read off the Gaussian curvature
K = m \, \frac{g_{xx}-f_{yy}}{2}
which is valid to first order in the parameter m.

jimbobjames said:
Chris, I've been thinking about what you wrote but I'm still not clear on it. Are you saying that just because (in the weak field approximation) g00 provides the parallel to Newtonian Gravity

Actually, I didn't say that!

jimbobjames said:
I thought that what we know and love as "gravity" here on earth, was almost entirely related to the time curvature in the Schwarzschild metric only.

"time curvature"?

jimbobjames said:
The curvature related to the dr^2 coefficient is relatively insignificant. Am I wrong with this?

Yes, that's why I mentioned the static wf metric (using a Cartesian type chart, incidently, not a polar spherical chart).

I second the recommendation of any expositions by John Baez, incidently, but I am not sure the particular book you bought is the best book for learning gtr first time around. You might try something like D'Inverno or Schutz first. See http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/HTML/reading.html for more recommendations.
 
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  • #39
OK thanks Chris.

Incidently by saying that a spacetime has "time curvature" only, I mean a spacetime whose metric is flat apart from the coefficient of dt^2.

The ideas I am trying to relate come from reading Feynman who computes the spacial curvature even at the surface of the sun to be tiny - that's why I am saying relatively insignificant - and from Dirac's introductory lectures on GR from which I understand that the acceleration due to gravity on Earth can be computed by considering the coefficient of dt^2 only (g00, "time curvature"). Dirac explicitly mentions that its when you multiply by c^2 you get from a tiny number to 9,8m/s^2, which we recognize as Newton's acceleration due to gravity on earth. I've lent that Dirac book to a friend - otherwise I would quote from it. Of course I may have misunderstood and will double check that.

Ive looked at D'Inverno and Schutz, thanks. GR has been a hobby of mine for the past year or so - but it is deep and will require more time and study... I think I am making some progress though - in no small part because of the help I am getting from you guys here. This time last year I didnt know any tensor algebra and I did'nt know what a metric was.
 
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  • #40
JimBob - have you checked your messages lately ?

As Chris has said, you can't tell much about the curvature by looking at the metric. You need to calculate the curvature scalar.
 
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  • #41
Got it - thanks.
 
  • #42
Don't overestimate what you can learn from PF

jimbobjames said:
Incidently by saying that a spacetime has "time curvature" only, I mean a spacetime whose metric is flat apart from the coefficient of dt^2.

As Mentz said, that doesn't really make sense.

jimbobjames said:
The ideas I am trying to relate come from reading Feynman who computes the spacial curvature even at the surface of the sun to be tiny

I don't know what you mean by "spatial curvature" vs. "time curvature", but whatever you mean, you must be mistaken in thinking they have very different magnitudes.

You might have seen reference to such terms as "time-time components" of the Riemann tensor, aka the electrogravitic or tidal tensor in the Bel decomposition taken with respect to a family of observers (for convenience let's assume their world lines are hypersurface orthogonal), which controls tidal forces, or "time-space" components, aka the magnetogravitic tensor, which controls gravitomagnetic effects, or "space-space", aka the topogravitic tensor which controls the curvature of hyperslices orthogonal to our observers.

But the Riemann components behave nothing like what you are assuming. In fact, the nonzero Riemann curvature components (evaluated wrt a frame field, i.e. we consider only "physical components" which can inferred directly from measurements by some observer) in the Schwarzschild vacuum are all of magnitude comparable to the square root of the Kretschmann invariant 48 m/r^6. If you can grab a copy of Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler, Gravitation, in your local physics library (this book will probably be on reserve in most university library systems), see the first chapter for a discussion of how spacetime curvature relates to falling apples on the surface of the Earth.

jimbobjames said:
the acceleration due to gravity on Earth can be computed by considering the coefficient of dt^2 only (g00, "time curvature").

Or g_{rr}[/itex], as we keep saying. In the weak field metric, as you now realize, the components g_{tt}, \; g_{rr}[/itex] differ by comparable magnitudes from \pm 1.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote data-attributes=&quot;&quot; data-quote=&quot;jimbobjames&quot; data-source=&quot;post: 1307374&quot; class=&quot;bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch&quot;&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;bbCodeBlock-title&quot;&gt; jimbobjames said: &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;bbCodeBlock-content&quot;&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent &quot;&gt; Ive looked at D&amp;#039;Inverno and Schutz, thanks. GR has been a hobby of mine for the past year or so &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; So what is your math/physics background? It is possible to obtain a good knowledge gtr from self-study, but only if you have a solid math background. (A solid physics background is also highly desirable, but oddly enough, not essential if one is careful to always bear in mind the limits of one&amp;#039;s knowledge/appreciation of physical issues.) A graduate level course in manifolds and Riemannian geometry is particularly important. Don&amp;#039;t overestimate what you can learn from a forum such as this. We are not likely to exhibit the patience required to convey the subtle but essential notion of local versus global structure, for example, because this is best acquired by working problems in a structured environment.
 
  • #43
"Don't overestimate what you can learn from a forum such as this."

OK.

I don't have a graduate level course in manifolds and Riemannian geometry, but I learned enough math during my Engineering undergraduate years (almost 20 years ago now) to be able to read those introductory GR books and follow the derivations. Sure some parts are'nt crystal clear yet but I'm getting there. I am pleased with what I've managed to learn from books (and the web) so far. Sean Caroll's teaching is also excellent. I love the 3 hour introduction to GR (video lecture) by him.

I was pleased to learn what a manifold is, what tensor calculus on a manifold is, what the covariant derivative is and why it is useful, and in the end I was pleased to learn how to go from a metric to Christoffel Symbols to the Riemmann Tensor to Ricci Tensor and Scalar and finally to the field equation. And to learn how the equivalence principle provides the physical motivation for the theory. But there's a lot more to GR, I know.

Ive always wanted to better understand why things seem to fall to the ground. To learn what people mean when they say that "spacetime" is curved. I am fascinated by it.

For me its a real luxury to delve into physics whenever I get a chance - but the available time is limited to a few hours per week unfortunately. And you are right - without having a teacher or mentor to ask questions, it is easy to make mistakes and to misunderstand some of the ideas.

Anyway in this case I see I made the mistake of

1) interpreting too much into the coefficients of the metric directly - I need to compute the Riemann before talking about curvature
and
2) thinking there are real metrics where gtt is the only significant non-flat component

I think the world would be a better place (!) if some GR expert took the time to tape his or her lectures on GR and put them on the web. :smile: The few video lectures I could find so far (from Kip Thorne and Sean Carroll) were excellent, but unfortunately only skim the surface.
 
  • #44
Appreciate the info, although I fear you may be prone to vastly overestimate your grasp of what you read in the textbooks. In particular, just because most textbooks avoid discussing the local versus global distinction (Carroll actually gives this more attention than most authors) doesn't mean this won't prevent you from understanding gtr until you appreciate it. Unfortunately, there are quite a few more stumbling blocks.

I don't think taped lectures would be helpful. You might want to look for the problem book edited by Lightman et al., since working problems can be a good way to assess your understanding.

BTW, if this sounds discouraging, from time to time I like to point out that there are billions and billions (nod to CS again) of mathematically beautiful things one could try to learn, many far more accessible but no less important than gtr. One could even argue that gtr is far less timely than many other phenomena currently of interest to mathematicians.
 
  • #45
Couldn't gravity be a direct result of the time distorsion created by masses? If we assume that all mass is comprised of elementary, vibrating particles. All these particles are vibrating at certain frequencies. If atoms are vibrating at different frequencies we say they have different temperatures and if they have higher temperature they have a higher pressure. If an object comprised of more than one elementary particle is within the time distortion field of a mass, the particles in the object would slow down because time is passing slower closer to the mass. Some of the particles in the object must be closer to the mass than some others and thus move slower. The particles further away from the mass will be moving faster than the ones closer and thus put a pressure inside the object towards the mass. That is if these particles were to work the same as atoms when vibrating at different temperatures. I think...

What do you think?
 
  • #46
I thought that too Antman - a way to test it would be to heat something on the space shuttle and check if it moves in the direction of the temperature gradient.

I had typed the same thing last week and deleted it before posting. The reason I didnt post it was - among other reasons - that you can check that this effect cannot be the cause of gravity on Earth by simply heating any object and realizing that even when the base of the object is hotter than the top (and the atoms and molecules are vibrating faster at the bottom than at the top) the object does not start to move away from the surface of the earth. (A rocket lifts off of course for other reasons, and not just because the bottom is hotter than the top, as you know).

I think others here will point out that the object is just following a straight line path through curved spacetime but like yourself, I would like to better understand what is happening in the immediate vicinity of the object itself - ie to understand the "contact" between the local spacetime and the object - if that is understandable!

Good idea though.
 
  • #47
I don't think that the atoms movements cause gravitation but rather some smaller particles. If you say something that enters the gravitational field of a mass and gets "pulled" downwards the mass actually is proceeding in a straght line but the spacetime is curved I agree that might be the case. But what if something is stationary and starts to accelerate towards a mass because of gravity? That couldn't be because of bent spacetime.
 
  • #48
"but rather some smaller particles"

If you mean some as yet undetected hypothetical particles inside the object, then I think you might need to come up with (or derive) a description of their properties and an explanation as to why they have evaded detection until now.

"But what if something is stationary and starts to accelerate towards a mass because of gravity? That couldn't be because of bent spacetime."

Do you mean, for example, holding an apple and letting go and watching it appear to fall to the ground?

Why do you think that could'nt be because of curved spacetime?

The curved spacetime way of describing gravitation is the best model available and it has been tested to high precision.

In the curved spacetime view of the world, the apple was actually accelerating until you let go of it! (You can calculate the acceleration by putting dr=0 in the field described by the Schwarzschild metric. Just like a rocket hovering at a fixed distance above the Earth is actually accelerating, just to stay the same height above the earth.)

And only when you let go of the apple and when it was in free fall, did it actually stop accelerating, because it then started to follow the straight line path through the curved spacetime around the earth!

(I'm not an expert though either - that's just my understanding of it).
 
  • #49
Chris Hillman said:
Appreciate the info, although I fear you may be prone to vastly overestimate your grasp of what you read in the textbooks. In particular, just because most textbooks avoid discussing the local versus global distinction (Carroll actually gives this more attention than most authors) doesn't mean this won't prevent you from understanding gtr until you appreciate it. Unfortunately, there are quite a few more stumbling blocks.

While I wouldn't want anyone to think that they can become an "expert in GR" just by reading a forum like this, I wouldn't underestimate what one can learn in a forum like this either. I would, however, generally agree with that most of the work has to be done outside the forum, that one has to read textbooks and work problems to learn GR, just reading a forum is not going to be enough.

I would also agree that it is easy to "go off the rails". I'm not sure, though, if this "local vs global" issue has been well-defined enough to count as "going off the rails", or whether it is just a philosophical disagreement. If something has not been well-defined enough to have been published in textbooks, or to have a particular reference in the literature along with a proof, I'm not sure that I agree it should be put in the classification of being necessary to understand GR.

I don't think taped lectures would be helpful. You might want to look for the problem book edited by Lightman et al., since working problems can be a good way to assess your understanding.

Different people work in different ways as to how they learn. I would agree that the ability to work problems is a good way to asses one's understanding, though, making worked problems very valuable. In fact, I would argue that being able to get the correct answer to problems more or less operationally defines what it means to "understand GR".
 
  • #50
Chris, Ill have to disagree with you.

I'm convinced that a set of video lectures from a good GR teacher would provide a great service to the community.

And it wouldn't have to be 100 hours of lectures - Even if Sean Carroll did another 3 hours in order to provide the next level of detail, I know it would accelerate my own learning and probably that of many other newcomers to the subject.

And as to the accessibility of GR - Sean Carroll also disagrees with you - he starts his lectures with - General Relativity is easy! And then he goes on to show that it really isn't as difficult as its reputation (and some experts) would have the world believe.

Even the author of one of the books you recommended - D'Inverno - begins his book with words of encouragement to the less able student:

"I will not deny that the book contains some very demanding ideas (indeed I do not understand every facet of all these ideas myself)... Take heart from my story. I am certain that if you persevere you will consider it worth the effort in the end".

I do agree however that I need to work though the exercises. Thats key. Its only when you try to work it out yourself that you realize how much you did'nt yet understand. I will check out that problem book you recommended.
 
  • #51
In one of my earlier posts in this thread I wrote that I thought that only the coefficient of dt^2 in the Schwarzschild metric was relevant when aproximating to Newtonian Gravity as we experience it here on Earth and that "The curvature related to the dr^2 coefficient is relatively insignificant."

And an expert here wrote back telling me that I was wrong with this assertion.

Later I wrote again that:

"I understand that the acceleration due to gravity on Earth can be computed by considering the coefficient of dt^2 only".

But this was also deemed incorrect.

I just read the following from Jim Hartle in his Introduction to GR:

"You may have noticed that the factor (1-2\phi/c^2) in the spatial part of the line element:

ds^2 = -c^2(1+2\phi/c^2) \, dt^2 + (1-2\phi/c^2) \, dr^2

played no role to leading order in 1/c^2 in reproducing either the relativistic relation between time intervals on clocks or the Newtonian equation of motion. Any factor there that is unity to leading order in 1/c^2 would have worked, including 1. There are therefore many spacetimes that will reproduce the predictions of Newtonian Gravity for low velocities."

And so the metric I was proposing:

ds^2 = -c^2(1-2M/rc^2) \, dt^2 + dr^2 = -c^2(1+2\phi/c^2) \, dt^2 + dr^2

is one of those spacetimes that will reproduce the predictions of Newtonian Gravity, as I was saying.

Italics by Jim Hartle.

The metric I proposed above may not satisfy Einstein's field equation - nor will it predict the correct bending of light near a star - but it is certainly close enough to the home cosmos - and certainly closer than the original metrics I was playing with :smile: - to produce what we know and love as Gravity here on earth.
 
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  • #52
jimbobjames said:
In one of my earlier posts in this thread I wrote that I thought that only the coefficient of dt^2 in the Schwarzschild metric was relevant when aproximating to Newtonian Gravity as we experience it here on Earth and that "The curvature related to the dr^2 coefficient is relatively insignificant."

And an expert here wrote back telling me that I was wrong with this assertion.

I think you probably confused the expert by saying "curvature" instead of "metric coefficient".

Most of the time "curvature" means the Riemann curvature tensor or some component thereof.
 
  • #53
"Most of the time "curvature" means the Riemann curvature tensor or some component thereof."

Right pervect, got it. I'm getting there. I appreciate your help along the way.
 
  • #54
Chris Hillman said:
Certainly not! Intel and Dravish, I think you both need to be very very careful about drawing conclusions from verbal descriptions. These can play a valuable role, but to understand gtr you'll need to understand the math. That said, I think the book by Geroch does a fabulous job at getting absolutely the most out of the least mathematical background. Also, posters like pervect and robphy are far more reliable sources than some other regular posters here. As I think they will agree, ultimately, good textbooks (and perhaps local faculty, especially if they specialize in gtr) are still your most reliable sources of information...

Thanks for the reference I am getting hold of it - should be here in a couple of days!

But i would still like to know if such a question (maybe not this one in particular) is askable of maths/physics and if I can expect a definitive yes, no or don't know.

The question I asked was:

Originally Posted by MeJennifer
...time and space are emergent properties of the gravitational field...

"Can I take this and say that spacetime, space and time are the direct result of particles or any matter which came into existence at t=0... ?"
 
  • #55
Some interesting posts here, and also some posts with rather condescending tones.
I would firstly like to make a small point: mathematics is a descriptive tool.

ok, now let me break things down a little;
1. Assume that nothing exists; no matter, no space, no time; nothing
2. Now add an imaginary mass; we now have mass and nothing
3. Now add a secondary mass at some undefined distance away from the first; we now have mass and space (as space is simply a description of the nothing between the two masses).
4. Now allow the masses to move in any direction; we now have space and time (as time is simply the description for changing states)
5. In the QM view of reality, in order to introduce gravity we would need to add 'gravitons' to this setup so that our two masses could be attracted to one another.
6. Ignoring the QM view and using the GR view that gravity is the curvature of space-time, gravity is a property of mass existing within space.
7. From the above we can deduce that time = the movement of each (undefined) mass, gravity = an undefined attractive force (movement of each mass towards the other) between the two (undefined) masses.

Is this or is this not the fundamental view of things from the GR point of view?
 
  • #56
Now add a secondary mass at some undefined distance away from the first

Hi Dravish. How do you do that if there's no space ? Surely you need 2a. Add space ?

It's certainly true that to define space we need at least two locations, and only matter can have a location. It seems that space and matter must have been born simultaneously, and by being born caused change and therefore time.
 
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  • #57
Mentz114 said:
Hi Dravish. How do you do that if there's no space ? Surely you need 2a Add space ?
Adding the second mass at an undefined distance from the first creates spaces, because (as I mentioned) space is simply a description of between masses
 
  • #58
OK, so space comes along with the second mass. I disagree about time's birthday, though. As soon as you introduce the first mass, you've caused change - and hence time now exists?

[sorry, I keep dropping letters and having to edit]
 
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  • #59
you miss understand what I'm trying to say (or perhaps I am being unclear), I have presented a sequence of events, but they do not take place in that sequence; I am simply trying to show a complete picture one step at a time.
 
  • #60
But 'one step at a time' means 'in sequence' to me.

Anyhow, it's good to think analytically about these things. I must disagree with a couple of your points though.
6. Ignoring the QM view and using the GR view that gravity is the curvature of space-time, gravity is a property of mass existing within space.

From my understanding of GR, "matter tells space-time how to curve, and space-time tells matter how to move". Gravity isn't a property of mass, it's the result of mass.

7. From the above we can deduce that time = the movement of each (undefined) mass, gravity = an undefined attractive force (movement of each mass towards the other) between the two (undefined) masses.
I don't follow this because your use of the word 'undefined' seems to rob that sentence of meaning. I'm sure you actually mean something else.
 

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