How Do Tire Forces Relate to Temperature, Pressure, and Speed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on understanding the forces acting within a tire while in motion, particularly in relation to temperature, pressure, speed, and road conditions. Participants explore the mechanical properties of tires, likening them to compression springs, and seek to quantify the forces involved in tire dynamics during normal driving conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes viewing the tire as a ring of short compression springs to understand its spring coefficient and spring rate.
  • Another participant suggests that while the tire acts like a spring, there are devices to measure deflection under load, and mentions the impact of slip angle and coefficient of friction in racing contexts.
  • A third participant provides a resource for further reading on the ride properties of tires, indicating that it may contain relevant information.
  • A later reply clarifies that the original inquiry is focused on simpler values, specifically the forces acting on a tire while driving straight, excluding more complex factors like slip angle.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the shared resource, indicating it was helpful for their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing focuses within the topic, with some emphasizing racing dynamics and others seeking a more straightforward analysis of tire forces during regular driving. No consensus is reached on the best approach to quantify these forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of tire dynamics, including factors like temperature, pressure, and road quality, but do not resolve the specific mathematical relationships or assumptions involved in their discussions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in automotive engineering, tire dynamics, or those seeking to understand the mechanical properties of tires in relation to driving conditions may find this discussion relevant.

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I am trying to develop an understanding of the forces within a tire when moving.

I have been told to examine the tire as a ring of short compression springs, so I would assume each tire essentially has a spring coefficient and spring rate. I don't imagine the tire manufacturer's give this in their specs. So how would you go about determining the forces involved in a tire as it goes down the road, relating with temp, pressure, speed, road quatlity, and of course the tire stats.

Just recently I realized actually how much is going on within a vehicles tire, and have become fascinated in determining mathematically what is happening within.

Any Help would be appreciated.
 
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semi correct...ifin you want to learn about tires see my post race car suspension..many post on tires and slip angle , coefficient of friction etc..
Nascar outlawed tire dynometers to reduce racing cost..each tire does act like a spring and there are devices used to measure deflection under load..i suggest you use the Search feature at top of the forum for research on the subjects
 
I looked at your race car suspension, but I am actually looking for more simplistic values, ignoring the slip angle and lateral affects of friction. More so what the tire is doing just going down the highway. With the compression forces from the road, and and centrifugal forces it is experiencing at all the other points on the tire. i searched forces on the tire, but they were not supplying the information i was looking for.
 
thanks jack action. that's a great source for some things I was looking for.
 

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