Too much noise in Embedded system?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the challenges of noise in an embedded system designed for electro-pneumatic shifting in a manual transmission car. Participants explore the implications of automotive electrical noise on circuit design, particularly in relation to power sources and filtering techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about potential noise in the circuit due to the automotive environment, particularly from the alternator.
  • Another participant highlights that automotive electrical systems typically have significant noise from the ignition system and suggests that filtering may be necessary.
  • A first-year engineering student seeks clarification on filtering, indicating a lack of knowledge about the topic and suggesting a basic understanding of capacitors.
  • The student explains the purpose of a circuit design element that interrupts the ECU ignition signal during gear shifts, relating it to reducing strain on the engine.
  • A later reply reveals that previous issues were not primarily due to the alternator but rather the starter motor generating strong magnetic fields that affected the system, suggesting that shielding may be a more critical solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to mitigate noise, with differing views on the sources of noise and the effectiveness of filtering versus shielding.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the circuit's design and the automotive environment, but these assumptions remain unresolved. The discussion reflects a mix of technical knowledge and gaps in understanding among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in automotive electronics, embedded systems design, and noise reduction techniques in electrical circuits may find this discussion relevant.

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Too much noise in "Embedded" system?

Hey everyone. I'm working on putting a circuit board (with microprocessor, eventually) into a car for electro-pneumatic shifting on a manual transmission. This means that the circuit has to run on a 12V source being charged by an alternator.

I have a design for the circuit in Visio, and I was just wondering if there was going to be too much noise in the circuit. I know that previous iterations had too much, but will it affect this particular circuit?

Circuit:
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Oops! I put "12V source charged by a battery" I meant "12V source charged by an alternator"

Should make more sense now :P
 


Automotive electrical systems are notorious for having large amounts of noise due to the ignition system. Chances are, unless you include some type of filtering, you will have noise issues especially if power is taken directly from the alternator.

Why is your "upshift" button breaking the ground on your ECU ignition signal? Why is this even included in your circuit?
 


Filtering:
Ergh..? I'm a first year Engineering student... I have no knowledge of "filtering" systems (you mean like a capacitor ... somewhere?) :( Anything you can explain would be most excellent :P

Ignition Gnd:
It's a quick and dirty way of stopping the engine for a brief period of time while we shift gears... I forget exactly why, something to do with not putting too much strain on the engine. It's just like taking your foot off the gas when you shift, I guess.

I was told a series of requirements for this circuit, and copied its functionality directly from what we currently have using relays...
 


I did a bit more digging into what the previous problems had been. Turns out there is enough filtering when the alternator is converted to DC and passed through the battery that it doesn't really effect the system. More damaging, however, was the starter motor creating ridiculous magnetic fields that were causing the car systems (including the shifter controller) to do strange things... like shift gears :P

Turns out I just need some serious shielding! Thanks for the help, though :)
 
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