Topologist's sine curve is not path connected

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The discussion revolves around the topologist's sine curve and its properties related to path connectivity. The original poster presents a set T, constructed from two components, and attempts to demonstrate that T is not path-connected by exploring the implications of a continuous path between two specific points in T.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the path's continuity and the closure of the image of the path. Questions arise regarding the containment of the set A within the closure of the path image and the relationship between the path and limit points.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, questioning the clarity of notation and definitions. Some suggest that the closure of the path image must contain all points in A, while others are considering how to analytically demonstrate this containment. There is a productive exchange of ideas, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the notation and definitions used in the discussion. Participants are also grappling with the implications of the path's behavior as it approaches the limit, particularly in relation to the oscillatory nature of the sine function.

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This example is to show that a connected topological space need not be path-connected.

S={ (t,sin(1/t)): 0 <t <= 1 }
A={ (0,t): -1 <= t <= 1 }
let T = S U A
with the topology induced from R^2.

I show T is not path-connected. Assume to the contrary that there exists a path p:[0,1]-->T with p(0)=(1/pi, 0) and p(1)=(0,0). Let
k = Inf{ t in [0,1] : p(t) in A}.
Then p([0,k]) contains at most one point of A. I want to show Closure of p([0,k]) contains all of A. So p([0,k]) is not closed, and therefore not compact. But p is continuous and [0,k] is compact, so p([0,k]) must be compact,which is a contradiction.

How do I show Closure of p([0,k]) contains all of A?
 
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Your notation is about as confusing as you could possibly make it. A path p(t) going from p(0)=(0,0) in T to p(1)=(1,sin(1)) in T must approach a definite limit as t->0. But it has to follow the curve (t,sin(1/t)) to get there. Of course the Closure(p)=A. Pick an e>0. There is a point on p(t) within a distance e of any point on A. It oscillates infinitely often between -1 and 1 as t->0.
 
The definition I have for X being path-connected is that for any 2 points of X, there is a path connecting them. So if the continuous map p:[0,1]-->X is the path connecting x and y in X, we have p(0)=x; p(1)=y.

Here I chose the points x=(1/pi, sin(1/(1/pi)) )= (1/pi, 0) and y = (0,0) in T and I assume T is path-connected so there is a path p:[0,1]-->T connecting x and y.

I don't see how my notations are confusing (unless the definitions I have are wrong).

For some reason I'm not getting the proof. Is there a simple way to show A is contained in the Closure of p([0,k]) where k = Inf {t in [0,1] : p(t) in A}?
 
Perhaps I'm just easily confused. The point is that p(t) must contain all of the points O={(t,sin(1/t)) for t in (0,1/pi)}. Can you prove that? Now can you show that for any point a in A, and any e>0 there is a point in O whose distance from a is less than e?
 
what do you mean by p(t) must contain all of the points O={(t,sin(1/t)) for t in (0,1/pi)}, is p(t) a set? How does it relate with Closure of p([0,k]) where k = Inf {t in [0,1] : p(t) in A}?
 
The image of p(t) is a set, yes. I am saying that p(t) must follow the curve (t,sin(1/t)). And all of the points in A are limit points of that image set.
 
So does it mean that A is contained in the closure of Image of p (i.e. closure of p([0,1])), but does it imply that A C closure of p([o,k])?
 
I wouldn't worry about p([0,k]). The point is that A is contained in the closure of p([0,e)) for any e>0. This is going to make it difficult for p to have a limit as t->0. The main ingredient is showing that the image of p must contain all of the points in O.
 
I am trying to think this way.Let a be any point of A. Let B be a basic neighborhood of a. We show there exists x in p([0,k])intersection B. By drawing I can see that if I can show p(k) is in A, then it works but how can I write it analytically?
 
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Suppose B has radius e>0. Pick a smaller e0>0 such that there is one full cycle of sin(1/t) (i.e. the value passes through -1 and 1) between t=e0 and t=e. Like e0=1/((1/e)+2pi). Though you don't have to be that detailed. There are an infinite number of sine cycles less than any e>0. The curve must intersect B since the x coordinate of a is 0 and the y coordinate of a is between -1 and 1.
 
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Oh, that makes sense now :). Thanks a lot.
 

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