Torque change of a rod with unequal masses

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The problem involves a system of two unequal masses connected by a rigid, massless rod, which is rotating about its center of mass. The original poster seeks to determine the torque required to bring the system to a halt within a specified time frame.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the center of mass and moment of inertia, then apply angular kinematics to find torque. Participants question the accuracy of the radius used in the moment of inertia calculation and the interpretation of angular velocity.

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Participants are actively engaging with the calculations, providing corrections and clarifications regarding the moment of inertia and angular velocity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the proper interpretation of angular frequency, leading to a productive direction in the discussion.

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There appears to be confusion regarding the definitions and conversions between angular velocity and frequency, which is being explored in the discussion. The original poster's calculations are based on specific assumptions about the system's parameters.

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A 1.0 kg ball and a 2.0 kg ball are connected by a 1.0-m-long rigid, massless rod. The rod is rotating cw about its center of mass at 20 rpm. What torque will bring the balls to a halt in 5.0 s?

I used (m1x1+m2x2)/(m1+m2) to solve for the center of mass (2/3 meters from the 1kg weight). Then I used that to solve for the moment of inertia, using I= m1r1^2+m2r2^2, and I got I=1. I know [tex]\alpha[/tex]=[tex]\tau[/tex]/I, and [tex]\alpha[/tex]=([tex]\omega[/tex]_final - [tex]\omega[/tex]_initial) / time. I plugged in my known values (0 rps, 1/3rps, and 5 seconds, respectively) and got -0.1333 for [tex]\alpha[/tex]. Then I multiplied [tex]\alpha[/tex] by I and got -0.1333, which is wrong. I don't know where I screwed up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
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In the calculation for the moment of inertia, you used the wrong radius for the wrong mass. The (2/3 m)^2 should be multiplied by 1.0 kg.
 
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It doesn't seem to work... I took 1*(2/3)^2 + 2*(1/3)^2 and got (2/3). Then I multiplied -0.1333 by (2/3) (angular acceleration times I) and got 0.0888, which is still wrong.
 
Metalsonic75 said:
It doesn't seem to work... I took 1*(2/3)^2 + 2*(1/3)^2 and got (2/3).
Metalsonic75 said:
Then I multiplied -0.1333 by (2/3) (angular acceleration times I) and got 0.0888, which is still wrong.
That is not the angular velocity, that is simply the frequencey, you need the angular frequency/velcoity.
 
Oh crap...how did I miss that? I didn't understand what Hootenanny was saying until I realized that his / was just a slash, and not a division sign. Anyway to the OP, yes it's true...you're out by a factor of 2*pi as far as your angular velocity goes.
 
Ah, yes. I multiplied 1/3rps by 2*pi and everything worked. Thank you!
 

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