Torque due to static friction on a rolling object

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the dynamics of a rolling disk on an inclined plane, specifically examining the factors influencing its acceleration and the role of torque due to static friction. The scope includes theoretical considerations of forces and torques acting on the disk.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the torque contributions from normal force, gravitational force, and static friction while analyzing the rolling motion of a disk.
  • Another participant notes that for the disk to roll down the incline, it must experience torque and acceleration, highlighting the relationship between the forces acting on the disk and the incline's angle.
  • A question is raised about the torque produced by the static friction force, with a suggestion that it may be zero because it acts through the instantaneous axis of revolution.
  • A later reply confirms that any force acting through a point does not create a moment about that point, indicating that only gravity contributes to the torque in this scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of static friction in producing torque, with some asserting it has no effect due to its line of action, while others emphasize the necessity of torque for the disk's motion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of static friction on the overall dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the influence of the incline's angle on the forces acting on the disk, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the conditions under which the disk begins to slip versus roll without slipping.

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I'm looking over my notes here, we have a rolling disk down an incline plane and my goal is to find its acceleration in terms of its moment of inertia

My dilemma is, when finding the torque, I look at all 3 of the forces influencing it (normal, gravity, and the f_s). The n goes through the instantaneous axis of revolution so its torque on the disk is 0, I can see the gravity's torque is mgsinθ, but I don't see why the f_s has 0 torque, even though it is perpendicular to the instantaneous axis of revolution.

Is the reason that the F_s force goes through the axis, therefore its torque on the object is 0?
 
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If the disc starts turning as it rolls down the inclined plane, there has to be torque. In order to get torque, the disc has to accelerate down the ramp.

The force pressing the disc against the incline is mg cos(θ), which gets smaller as the incline gets steeper. The force pushing the centroid of disc down the incline plane is mg sin(θ) which gets larger as the incline gets steeper. There is an angle at which the disc starts to slip rather than roll without slipping.
 
I'm not sure if that is what I was looking for??
 
Woopydalan said:
Is the reason that the F_s force goes through the axis, therefore its torque on the object is 0?

Yes, any force through a point has no moment about that point. The only one of the three forces with a moment about the point of contact is gravity.
 

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